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Is Infant Circumcision Immoral?

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Bluewind:
As someone who lives in the US, circumcision is the norm and normally done before a male can give consent. It's often sighted as a good thing because many believe that the circumcised are cleaner than those who are not and by doing it to them when they are so young they won't remember the pain and will heal faster. The question is is it moral to alter someone's body without their consent in a way that is not a medical emergency and if not, why is it such a universally excepted practice here to the point that many parents must specifically tell doctors NOT to do it (and even then it could be done anyway)? Is there a positive side to circumcision without consent or a negative side to leaving it untouched? Are motivations religiously driven or driven by society? Should it be allowed as an option for anyone, only those of specific faiths which require it, or not at all?

Originally I was on the side saying it should be done. Then, I talked to men of both groups (friends, online friends, the 2 men I've dated, and even my dad!) and found that it had a negative impact on them. The older ones found that they were more likely to have bedroom difficulties if they had been circumcised than those who hadn't. They were less sensitive in general. I even spoke to a man who was angry at his parents for allowing it had happened to him without his consent and hoped he would one day be able to have it replaced in a sense. Some men said it was probably cleaner and women liked how it looked because the natural ones looked kinda weird (societal norms I guess), but the negative outweighed the positive especially for the older ones. The only person I talked to who believed it should be mandatory was a female nurse who said in the nursing home environment the circumcised ones were easier and you didn't have to worry about forgetting to roll it back in place and cut off circulation to it. I will admit that all I've said is anecdotal, but it bothers me as a woman who wants to have kids and I would love to hear valid points from both sides.

Mermaid:
I don't approve of it, I think it's an unethical medical practice. Immoral? Never thought about it as immoral, but maybe, yeah.

Mermaid:
Incidentally, I am lucky enough to have a friend who was circumcised as an adult, and I was able to ask him about his experience with it on both sides of the fence. He did it for religious reasons, so he is obviously quite in favor of it. He says the sexual response is different but equal.

I have read a few publications that confirm that some sexually transmitted infections are transmitted more easily by men who are not circumcised, and that some intact men have issues with microbial balanitis. I don't really agree that this justifies the routine circumcision of babies though.

Nonsensei:
Theres no hygiene advantage that cannot be achieved by simply washing yourself regularly.

The only other advantage is that, at least in America, women are so used to seeing a circumcised penis that you might run into those who simply find the foreskin "gross". Could become an issue for your son if the girl he likes wont go near him because he isn't circumcised. Then again if shes that hung up on it maybe shes not the right girl.

In my experience the majority of women don't seem to give a shit as long as you are keeping it clean.

Beyond those two points theres really no other advantage I can think of. Someone once said to me that it reduces instances of penile cancer. I think that kind of cancer is already pretty unusual, but I also have a problem with the logic of cutting off a piece of the body to keep from developing a cancer associated with it. Shall we do pre-emptive hysterectomies too? Beat breast cancer today with mandatory hysterectomies!

Yeah not so much.

Mermaid:

--- Quote from: Nonsensei on April 14, 2016, 07:54:35 PM ---Theres no hygiene advantage that cannot be achieved by simply washing yourself regularly.

The only other advantage is that, at least in America, women are so used to seeing a circumcised penis that you might run into those who simply find the foreskin "gross". Could become an issue for your son if the girl he likes wont go near him because he isn't circumcised. Then again if shes that hung up on it maybe shes not the right girl.

In my experience the majority of women don't seem to give a shit as long as you are keeping it clean.

Beyond those two points theres really no other advantage I can think of. Someone once said to me that it reduces instances of penile cancer. I think that kind of cancer is already pretty unusual, but I also have a problem with the logic of cutting off a piece of the body to keep from developing a cancer associated with it. Shall we do pre-emptive hysterectomies too? Beat breast cancer today with mandatory hysterectomies!

Yeah not so much.

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I have heard a lot of women say this. It makes me sad. The most common reason I hear for doing it is that they want their kid's penis to look like Dad's. I am a woman, so I don't know a lot about the psychology of that. How important is that to boys?

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