Terrorist Attacks In Brussels

[drunkenshoe]

Islam has a role within these Islamic terrorist groups...

Of course it has. What brought them together; made them a powerful organisation spreading death is not Islam though. This is the issue here.

Islam is their 'nationality' and 'country'; a collective identity, a strict manual; set of rules and laws to check-control each other, set limits and use as a glue.

What did you think they would do? Sit down and write an independent constitution of their own, create another myth to support it and found a new 'system'? 

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Hmm..somehow Bush's war of dropping tons and tons of bombs on Iraq was somehow so much nicer than anything any Muslim could possibly ever do? You're either with us or against us and they hate freedom,  blah fucking blah.... Oh yeah.. Bush = good Muslim = bad..  I must have forgotten the script..
And don't forget,  the janitorial staff sanitized it all for your protection.

[Baruch]

Westerners are unhappy, sort of ... if Muslim terrorists kill other Muslims.  We really get our panties in a wad if Muslim terrorists kill non-Muslims.  We are special, Muslims are not special.  Americans are the most special non-Muslims.  Narcissism 101 can explain this.

The idea that Muslim terrorists, might be Muslim ... is considered totally unexpected.

The idea that non-Muslims like to kill lots of people, in non-terrorist ways ... but by distance weapons from drones ... is considered civilized, and non-terrorizing of our targets.  Palestinians use woefully inadequate rockets.  Israelis use very effective phosphorus.  Israelis are civilized, right?

[Baruch]

But it has nothing to do with Islam. Has it?

http://youtu.be/hFyhY8WVCm0

You just proved that all the terrorists are O J Simpson or Michael Jordan!

[Unbeliever]

ISIS has no more to do with Islam than Jim Jones had to do with Christianity. It's a cult.

[Mike Cl]

ISIS has no more to do with Islam than Jim Jones had to do with Christianity. It's a cult.

What is the difference between a cult and a religion?????

[pato15]

What is the difference between a cult and a religion?????

Numbers. And Islam has done juuuust a bit better than Jim Jones when it comes to numbers.

[Cocoa Beware]

ISIS has no more to do with Islam than Jim Jones had to do with Christianity. It's a cult.

ISIS is actually doing many of the things Mohammed did, he was a 7th century warlord after all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AD6Bov8Uds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxVIg4nLebc

[Mike Cl]

Numbers. And Islam has done juuuust a bit better than Jim Jones when it comes to numbers.

So a religion is a bigger cult.  Or a small religion is a cult.  Or is a cult a poor religion; since Islam clearly is not poor--and it is large; so it can't be a cult.  I guess.  Or is a cult a lessor known religion?  Or maybe a cult is everything but the religion one believes in?


I really don't see a difference between a religion and a cult.  It is the classic 'the victors write history.' 

[Baruch]

So a religion is a bigger cult.  Or a small religion is a cult.  Or is a cult a poor religion; since Islam clearly is not poor--and it is large; so it can't be a cult.  I guess.  Or is a cult a lessor known religion?  Or maybe a cult is everything but the religion one believes in?


I really don't see a difference between a religion and a cult.  It is the classic 'the victors write history.'

Political parties are also cults, even if they aren't religions.  We all belong to one or more cults.  There is no clean underwear here.

[Mike Cl]

Political parties are also cults, even if they aren't religions.  We all belong to one or more cults.  There is no clean underwear here.

Hmmmm......okay then, how would you define 'cult'?

[Baruch]

Hmmmm......okay then, how would you define 'cult'?

That's easy.  Two or more people get together and cook up some bullshit.  Bullshit is always better when it is shared among friends, even better when evangelized to outsiders.  There is religious bullshit, but there is also political bullshit (they are often found together).  I no more believe in George Washington, than I believe in the Tooth Fairy.  George may be historical, but history is just another kind of bullshit ... the George we are taught about isn't the real McCoy ... his last name isn't even McCoy.

Yes, people have argued about cult vs religion based on size or social demographic ... but that is just more bullshit.

So if I say that I like Sanders more than Trump ... all I am saying is, I like one guy's bullshit better than another guy's bullshit.  Is that Jim Jones enough for you?  Don't drink the cool-aid!

[Mike Cl]

That's easy.  Two or more people get together and cook up some bullshit.  Bullshit is always better when it is shared among friends, even better when evangelized to outsiders.  There is religious bullshit, but there is also political bullshit (they are often found together).  I no more believe in George Washington, than I believe in the Tooth Fairy.  George may be historical, but history is just another kind of bullshit ... the George we are taught about isn't the real McCoy ... his last name isn't even McCoy.

Yes, people have argued about cult vs religion based on size or social demographic ... but that is just more bullshit.

So if I say that I like Sanders more than Trump ... all I am saying is, I like one guy's bullshit better than another guy's bullshit.  Is that Jim Jones enough for you?  Don't drink the cool-aid!

Yeah, that's Jim Jones enough for me.  Cool-aid--haven't had any of that since childhood, I think.  Used to like it.  And my mom did teach me to never accept cool-aid from ministers.  She was smart.

'Cult' is one of those meaningless words that is thrown around--meaningless in that it just can't be defined.

[Shiranu]

Cult: a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

However, pop-culture wise...

a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader..

In the West, Islam would be a cult. In the East, Christianity so. It's all what side of the fence you were born on.

[pr126]

People say that ISIS is murdering Muslims. How can that be?

Those Muslims have been declared by ISIS as apostates, hypocrites that according to the Islamic scriptures can be and should be killed.

See Quran 4:89 and various hadits.

4: 89: And they wish that you should disbelieve like they have, then you will be equal; so take them not as your friends until they migrate in the Path of Allah. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or helper.

Any Muslim who disagrees in any way with ISIS (therefore with Islam) is an apostate to be killed. End of story.