Tyler, Texas Man Has Found Fossils From Noah's Flood

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A wise man once observed that while belief in God after the Holocaust may be difficult, belief in man after the Holocaust is impossible. The choices before us are clear: we will either seek a transcendent moral law to which we will all submit, or we will seek our own personal and societal indulgence. If we turn to God in our quest to create a moral and just world, we have a fighting chance; if not, we are doomed to spiral into the man-made hell of the human jungle.

If you get your morals from the Bible I wouldn't trust you with small animals or children.

[aitm]

If you get your morals from the Bible I wouldn't trust you with small animals or children.

Not only does he get his morals from the babble, he worships the behavior of a god who demands the murder of babies and the rape of little girls, I wonder if he dreams about doing that so he can mimmick gods "glory".

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Not only does he get his morals from the babble, he worships the behavior of a god who demands the murder of babies and the rape of little girls, I wonder if he dreams about doing that so he can mimmick gods "glory".

I would doubt anyone who could worship the "god" of the Bible, seeing as how the god was actually a bunch of wandering prot-Bedouins who were as nasty and savage as their neighbors.

[reasonist]

"One can reasonably predict that as the infatuation with skepticism and atheism grows among the influential “intellectual elite” of our society, so too will their readiness to embrace more radical changes in moral values. Religious believers expressing dismay and horror at the ominous moral storm clouds looming on the horizon are met with smug derision, hysterical counter-accusations, or utter indifference. There is nothing that atheistic societies are incapable of rationalizing and accepting â€" including the sexual molestation of children."


By posting insane garbage like this you lost any and all credibility. Until now I (and most others posting here)
have been patient and tried to present facts, which you in return promptly ignored. Fair enough, ignorance is bliss. But this is nothing short of hate speech and a crazy, generalizing and prejudiced rant. So go and stick it up your arse...oops can't do that. Your head is in there already!

[Hydra009]

The atheistic notion that life emerged randomly from ancient Earth’s prebiotic slime, coupled with the Darwinian belief that humans are no more than intelligent chimpanzees, leaves us morally bereft.

I suppose we should also hold atomic theory in contempt because humans are made up of atoms.  Or we could show a little humility (a concept simultaneously professed and opposed by many Christians) and acknowledge our connection to the natural world.  So yes, humans are intelligent apes - not chimps - but does this fact make morality impossible?  No.  Secular morality is a tenable proposition that ironically, even the most devout practice in their day-to-day lives.   In fact, it's actually divine command theory that's an untenable position.  Morality uncoupled from the facts on the ground is precisely what leads to witch-burnings and jihads.  The modern world with its increasingly secular morality stands in stark contrast to the brutish and demon-haunted world of our forefathers.

In a society whose schools consider it a noble undertaking to teach a teenage boy how to use a condom

I'm not aware of it being called noble, but teaching teenagers how to practice safe sex and avoid STDs and unwanted pregnancy is a very beneficial thing.  One would think you of all people would be supportive of this, given your stance on abortion.

, but streng verboten to teach him that God has forbidden us to steal or murder, how can one anticipate anything other than a gaping and ever-expanding moral sinkhole?

Schools aren't churches.  They're for secular instruction, not religious indoctrination.  Besides, kids can learn all about what God has forbidden at church or from their parents or from the multitude of pious busybodies eager to dictate how everyone but themselves should live their lives.

While there exist real challenges in determining exactly what God requires of us in the moral sphere, let us, at least, agree on the following before it is too late, and move forward from there:

I love this little admission.   It kinda undercuts the whole God as the basis for morality argument when God can't agree with God and Christian can't agree with Christian.

[reasonist]

What an absurd notion that rape and murder was perfectly accepted until Moses came from the mountain (another non-event) with the stone tablets. We would have never survived as a species without a moral compass and innate decency. Actually we have an intrinsically moral aptitude DESPITE religious bullshit!
I am sick and tired of the condescending babble that the pious have a monopoly on morals.

[ApostateLois]

Most of the world isn't Christian. Spousal abuse is a worldwide phenomenon.

So what? If Christianity were so great, we would see virtually NO abuse of any kind. We would also see commands such as, "You shall not beat your wife, husband, children, or pets, for this is abominable in my sight." Instead of, you know, a command to beat your kids with a stick if they won't comply, and to treat your wife like a slave to your desires. Imagine if Christianity were free from the sort of vices that afflict the rest of humanity, and if it really were better than other religions. Imagine if no children were raped by preachers, and television evangelists were honest, and the Bible was filled only with the most useful, sane, practical, compassionate, and intelligent instructions which everyone agreed with and were happy to follow.

Sadly, this is not the case. Christianity comes off looking like any other religion invented by humans, filled with the sort of advise that was plainly devised by male priests for controlling a fearful populace,  suppressing women, and validating every kind of evil as the will of God. There is nothing divine about it, and very little that is laudable.

[Baruch]

You cannot bake a good cake with bad ingredients.  Humans are not good ingredients for building societies.

[ApostateLois]

Makes you wonder how we ever managed to evolve into social creatures, since we seem, on the whole, not to like each other very much. :-\

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What an absurd notion that rape and murder was perfectly accepted until Moses came from the mountain (another non-event) with the stone tablets. We would have never survived as a species without a moral compass and innate decency. Actually we have an intrinsically moral aptitude DESPITE religious bullshit!
I am sick and tired of the condescending babble that the pious have a monopoly on morals.

There were many societies that had never heard of the Hebrew god and still had a ethical and moral grounding that worked.

[reasonist]

Makes you wonder how we ever managed to evolve into social creatures, since we seem, on the whole, not to like each other very much. :-\

Survival and reproduction, the two basic human instincts. We figured out that some things are easier when worked together, like hunting or building. We basically have the same social structures as chimps, our closest relatives. Unfortunately aggression goes hand in hand with co-operation, then you add power, greed , jealousy, and the need to destroy an enemy to assure one's own survival. We are a mixed up bunch of primates with stone age brains, who's technological advancement outpaced our neurological evolution. 

[Hydra009]

Makes you wonder how we ever managed to evolve into social creatures, since we seem, on the whole, not to like each other very much. :-\

We're not terribly different from chimps.  Tribal.  Hierarchical.  Cooperative but also competitive.  Sometimes altruistic.  Sometimes murderous.

[Mike Cl]

We're not terribly different from chimps.  Tribal.  Hierarchical.  Cooperative but also competitive.  Sometimes altruistic.  Sometimes murderous.

Too bad we are not more like the Bonobos.  If they are angry, they screw.  If they are hungry, they screw.  If they are sad, they screw.  If they are happy, they screw.  If they are bored, they screw.  'Screw it!", seems to be their motto--and they live up to it!

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Too bad we are not more like the Bonobos.  If they are angry, they screw.  If they are hungry, they screw.  If they are sad, they screw.  If they are happy, they screw.  If they are bored, they screw.  'Screw it!", seems to be their motto--and they live up to it!

I know humans like that.

[Baruch]

Too bad we are not more like the Bonobos.  If they are angry, they screw.  If they are hungry, they screw.  If they are sad, they screw.  If they are happy, they screw.  If they are bored, they screw.  'Screw it!", seems to be their motto--and they live up to it!

Aren't bonobos matriarchs?