Chicago Trump Rally Cancelled

[SGOS]

At the other end of the Chicago extreme, my Sister attended a Sanders rally in the Chicago area yesterday. No violence, no protests, and just a bunch of voters happy to be able to participate in the process.  But then Sanders doesn't act like an asshole either.

[Nonsensei]

Link Please.  It seems to me you are mixing things up.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-protesters-offers-to-pay-legal-fees/

Just one of 50 links easily found with a simple google search.

True dat!  And the protesters HANDED it to him.  Idiots. 

The protesters may have fallen into the trap, but if you are not stepping back from the UTTERLY POINTLESS argument over who is responsible and instead focusing on how Trump is a manipulative piece of trash who didn't care at all that people might have gotten seriously hurt in his crusade for exclusive media coverage then YOU are the one handing 'it' to him.

Engineered?  LOL.  Read the facebook posts below.  The Democrats walked right into this one.  If they would have  held a rally SOMEWHERE else, Trump would have been speaking at a half empty arena and the media would have played it as LOOKIE Trumps popularity is falling in the state of Illinois.  Instead, every undecided working class person in Illinois is going to vote for Trump in the primary Tuesday because of the students depriving Trump the venue. 

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/inside_higher_ed/2016/03/donald_trump_comes_to_campus_and_students_fear_for_their_safety.html

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160307/near-west-side/trump-protesters-plan-uic-rally-takeoverour-strength-will-lie-numbers

http://dennismichaellynch.com/highlight-one/chicago-protest-fueled-by-moveon-org-illinois-congressman-gutierrez/

Its kinda interesting to see the connections politically amongst the protesters and organization of the protest vs school policy on protests linked to in an earlier post.

https://www.facebook.com/stoptrumpchicago/timeline?ref=page_internal
https://www.facebook.com/events/1060752830629598/
I already posted info on the colleges rules on interrupting events and code of conduct. 

Again, you are absolutely determined to blame "democrats" for this instead of placing the blame where it belongs; directly on Donald Trump's shoulders. He absolutely did engineer this, and "democrats" (read: unhappy college kids) showing up at the event was just another thing he cause to happen by holding his rally right next to a campus.

You can't prevent people from reacting the way the protesters did. Thats simply not possible. What you can do is acknowledge that Trump did everything he possibly could to ensure that the event turned out the way it did, and boy did it ever pay off for him. In fact it turned out so well for him that its absolutely laughable to suggest that he didn't plan it.

But the one thing that would rob him of the momentum and recognition he has gained from this absurdity is also the one thing you refuse to do: openly acknowledge that he planned it, regardless of the safety of the people involved. Thats what the story should be. Thats what he should be remembered for. He incited his supporters to violence, infuriated the left with his asinine statements and then shoved both groups together into a room too small to fit them all. Then when the inevitable powder keg exploded he put his hand over his brow and said "oh, woe is me".

THATS the story. Not who threw the first punch, or whether or not the protesters were wrong to enter the stadium. Trump would probably pay out of his own pocket for candy and strippers for the people who threw the first punch or decided to bring the protesters into the stadium.

[Shiranu]

Its not racism to expect immigrants to follow the laws and rules for immigration.
Its not racism to recognize illegal immigration allows criminals to enter this country with the intent to continue their criminal activities.

Racist: "Black people coming over here, you know, they are mostly rapists and criminals... I'm sure there are some good black people, but I haven't met any."

Racist: "White here in this town, you know, they are mostly rapists and criminals... I'm sure there are some good white people, but I haven't met any."

Not Racist: "Mexicans coming here, you know, they are mostly rapists and criminals, I'm sure there are some good Mexicans, but I haven't met any."

No. That is fucking text-book definition of racism; stereotyping an entire group of people based on their "nationality" (he means ethnicity, since many of the immigrants he is complaining about come from further south like Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador [who aren't Mexican]) as being criminals and "evil people" regardless of the fact that it is statistically wrong.

Now your just making shit up.  No where in that video does Trump proclaim anything about worship.  And he's doesn't say banned, he says 'shut down UNTIL we need to get a handle on what the hell is going on'.

Oh. Right. He didn't say Muslim shouldn't be banned. My bad, I misheard him. I didn't realise being a Muslim was completely detached to worshiping.

And a handle on what? How many terrorists in the United States are Muslim? What the fuck do we need to "Get a handle on"? Terrorism? Well lets start fucking cracking down on white people first then, since they are statistically more likely to be a terrorist. That's not racist by your standards to say, right?

And they aren't banned... they are just prohibited from entering. Super different!

:roll:

Your warcrime wall of text...

Summed up...

"Obama did bad things, so you cant judge Trump!"

Brilliant.

Except he ISNT preaching racism.  You are just making that up.

Right. Racism isn't racism when YOU decide it isn't.

Nah. Don't work like that. Sorry.

[Shiranu]

Also interesting; reports are now coming out that Trump was never advised to cancel the event or that it was a safety threat.

A politician lying? That would be unheard of.

[chill98]

http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-the-crap-out-of-protesters-offers-to-pay-legal-fees/

Just one of 50 links easily found with a simple google search.

Just as I thought, mixing things up:

Trump Quote from your link above - "So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?"....I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees.

Why?

Article Quote:
Last week, at another Iowa rally, a heckler chucked a few tomatoes at Trump, and was arrested for disorderly conduct.

So we have a real event, tomato chucking, which is assault, and a candidate telling people its ok to try to stop such things if you see them.  I don't have a problem with that.  Born-again rednecks at a Hillary rally can be roughed up for the same attempt.  I support this basic crime prevention effort no matter who the candidate is.  No one gets to chuck tomato's at candidates.  Hillary, Sanders, Cruz, or Trump.

But again it boils down to anti-democracy figures attempting to disrupt the political process.  They don't think they can win via the ballot box?  Like GROWN-UPS?

The protesters may have fallen into the trap, but if you are not stepping back from the UTTERLY POINTLESS argument over who is responsible and instead focusing on how Trump is a manipulative piece of trash who didn't care at all that people might have gotten seriously hurt in his crusade for exclusive media coverage then YOU are the one handing 'it' to him.

well Says You... 

Except he did listen to the advice that his going on with the rally could cause safety issues.  I personally listened to the chicago police sending police into the area as protesters blocked traffic and went after cars, fights breaking out, elderly people who had gone for the rally asking for escorts to their car because of fear of the protesters.  . 

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/763

Contrary to your belief, it was the protesters who had no regard for people getting hurt.

Again, you are absolutely determined to blame "democrats" for this instead of placing the blame where it belongs; directly on Donald Trump's shoulders. He absolutely did engineer this, and "democrats" (read: unhappy college kids) showing up at the event was just another thing he cause to happen by holding his rally right next to a campus.

I backed up my claims with links to FACEBOOK efforts to ORGANIZE disruption.  I post links to Illinois democrat representives calling for protests against a republican candidate (who has not been declared the official challenger).

You can't prevent people from reacting the way the protesters did. Thats simply not possible. What you can do is acknowledge that Trump did everything he possibly could to ensure that the event turned out the way it did, and boy did it ever pay off for him. In fact it turned out so well for him that its absolutely laughable to suggest that he didn't plan it.

Ah yes, because the same thing happened when Sanders went to Liberty University and spoke to the students there.  I most certainly can expect the same courtesy from this 'supposedly' diverse student body.  Didn't get it, true enough, but that is Chicago's shame, not Trumps.

But the one thing that would rob him of the momentum and recognition he has gained from this absurdity is also the one thing you refuse to do: openly acknowledge that he planned it, regardless of the safety of the people involved. Thats what the story should be. Thats what he should be remembered for. He incited his supporters to violence, infuriated the left with his asinine statements and then shoved both groups together into a room too small to fit them all. Then when the inevitable powder keg exploded he put his hand over his brow and said "oh, woe is me".

Again, says you but the facts do not align with that position:

Quote from article posted previously:

Organizers told those opposed to the GOP presidential frontrunner to show up at the UIC Pavilion, 525 S. Racine Ave., Friday and not only protest outside â€" but snag tickets and get inside.

On Monday, a number of Latino politicians including U.S. Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D), Ald. George Cardenas (12th), Ald. Raymond Lopez (15th), and Ald. Gilbert Villegas (36th) said they will stand among the protesters Friday outside of the UIC Pavilion.

Ald. Danny Solis (25th), whose ward includes parts of the UIC campus, said that the Latino Caucus plans to send a letter to UIC leaders asking that "they not give racist individuals a platform" in the future. The longtime alderman will be marching alongside protesters Friday, he said...

Solis' youngest sister, Patti Solis Doyle, has served as a campaign manager to Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Ald. Solis is campaigning for Clinton in this race, he said.

New Link:
Financier George Soros is launching, along with other donors, a $15 million campaign to achieve the largest Latino and immigrant participation at the polls

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2016/03/10/billionaire-smackdown-george-soros-funds-effort-to-stop-trump-mobilize-latinos/

THATS the story. Not who threw the first punch, or whether or not the protesters were wrong to enter the stadium. Trump would probably pay out of his own pocket for candy and strippers for the people who threw the first punch or decided to bring the protesters into the stadium.

Again, Says You.

I think the real story is the ongoing efforts of people to disrupt the political process by disrupting the events held by an opposing party.  Afraid to let the voters decide?  Fearful they can't win an election via candidate policy?

[Shiranu]

"Afraid to let the voters decide?  Fearful they can't win an election via candidate policy?"

I do hope the irony of this statement, with the "victim" actively doing exactly this, is not lost upon you.

[chill98]

Not Racist: "Mexicans coming here, you know, they are mostly rapists and criminals, I'm sure there are some good Mexicans, but I haven't met any."

You really struggle to keep things straight don't you?

Actual Quote
“When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best,” he said during the announcement. “They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

Original Shiranu statement not based upon video:

Calling for anyone who doesn't worship like him to be banned from entering the country and that the ones here are likely violent terrorists in waiting.


Oh. Right. He didn't say Muslim shouldn't be banned. My bad, I misheard him. I didn't realise being a Muslim was completely detached to worshiping.

Good, then you admit his statement said nothing about not worshiping like he [trump] does.

Constantly you misrepresent what is actually said.  Why is that?

That's not racist by your standards to say, right?

And they aren't banned... they are just prohibited from entering. Super different!

Yes, I decide for myself what I think is racist.  Prohibited from entering until we can get a handle on who is coming for what reason.  I am ok with that.  An immigration reform idea I would like to hear more about.

Summed up...

"Obama did bad things, so you cant judge Trump!"

well again you misrepresent what was said.  Typical.  Average even.  Not exceptional. 

And of course avoids explaining why Obama flip-flopped on his campaign platform once he was within the security clearance to get a different idea of what is going on.

I figure, he had good reason to keep bombing hideouts of terrorists regardless of the potential for civilian casualties.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/civilian-deaths-drone-strikes_us_561fafe2e4b028dd7ea6c4ff

Will you stick to your 'morals' and insist Obama be charged with war crimes?  Or is it selective morality (as it always is).

Right. Racism isn't racism when YOU decide it isn't.

Nah. Don't work like that. Sorry.

Actually, it does work like that. 

[Baruch]

Political candidates are always misquoted ... the candidates you like and the candidates you don't like.  We naturally believe the misquotes for the candidates we dislike, and ignore or deny the misquotes for the candidates we like.  This happens to Trump also.  What one believes, all turns on our political vision.

I don't even work for the INS ... so probably the government won't care what I actually think about immigrants.  I see more Spanish speakers all the time ... but it doesn't bother me.  I really don't care if the Hittite Empire survives long term or not.

[Shiranu]

Actual Quote
“When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best,” he said during the announcement. “They're not sending you, they're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people, but I speak to border guards and they're telling us what we're getting."

So... you are repeating what I said. Cool.

Did he say they are sending rapists? Yes. Did he say they are sending criminals (druggies)? Yes. Did he say there are probably good people, but he doesn't know? Yes.

You bolded "When Mexico sends it's people"... do you think the Mexican government is ordering it's people across the border? Have you ever met an immigrant? Really, answer that, have you ever met an immigrant.

I grew up on the border, both in Texas and in New Mexico. Two of my best friend's families were illegals, one just got their citizenship after 20 years in the country. To imply that more than likely these people are grew up around were criminals simply because they were Mexican is REALLY fucking racist! And the majority of immigrants are not criminals and he is pulling that straight out of his ass.

He is saying that, because of the race of Latino immigrants, they are likely criminals and rapists (which is a bit redundant anyways).

Good, then you admit his statement said nothing about not worshiping like he [trump] does.

I'm trying so hard not to resort to personal attacks, but fuck you are being a stupid motherfucker right now.

Trump is saying that people who worship in a different way (practice Islam) are quite possibly terrorists and need to be barred entry into the country.

Just because you are being intentionally dense and refusing to acknowledge that something can mean the same thing without being quoted verbatim is getting really dull really quickly.

Constantly you misrepresent what is actually said.  Why is that?

-So he didn't call Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, with some possibly being good people?
-So he didn't say that Muslims should be banned entry (temporary or not)?

Will you stick to your 'morals' and insist Obama be charged with war crimes?  Or is it selective morality (as it always is).

Well, if you look at my posting history you will see I have actually posted threads about my disdain for the Obama administration's war crimes and silencing of whistleblowers, but why don't you just talk more shit without knowing what you are even talking about? That seems to be all you have done so far.

Actually, it does work like that.

Yeah. Okay. So the offended ethnic group doesn't know what racism is, and you are the one who get to decide what is or isn't ACTUALLY racially offensive.

To quote Mr. Ice Cube himself...

"Eat a dick Brian, get the fuck outta my house."

[Baruch]

Reality is a harsh mistress ..

African-Americans cannot fit into American society, ever ... because its actual definition excludes them.  They also can't fit into African society, because in Africa they are Americans aka foreigners.  Part of the expression of anti-Islamic views in America, have to do with the fact that the majority of our Muslims are African-American ... so it shades into our existing racism.

Latinos are also excluded by definition from American society ... because they are not Spaniards usually, they are Mestizo (Native American and Spanish).  Native Americans, from tribes north of Mexico, from Mexico, or from places south of Mexico, cannot fit in.  The Catholicism of many Latinos is also contrary to the definition of American society ... which is essentially publicly secular and privately Protestant.

I believe that multiculturalism isn't a bad thing, change happens.  But for Latinos and Blacks to fit in ... requires that the America as defined by White society ... has to die.  Naturally White folk find this threatening ... just as Conservatives always oppose change, particularly change that is inevitable.

Change over the decades will come to America, the America we have known will pass away, and a new America will emerge ... but in name only ... the America prior to the 21st century is not sustainable in any form.  Conservatives will lose eventually, as they always do.

The America of 2050 may be something you like or dislike ... but reality will tell you to STFU and deal with it.

[chill98]

So... you are repeating what I said. Cool.

Just curious.  Have you been drinking?

You bolded "When Mexico sends it's people"... do you think the Mexican government is ordering it's people across the border? Have you ever met an immigrant? Really, answer that, have you ever met an immigrant.

Yes I did bold that part of Trumps quote.  He is not claiming all illegals, rather the ones that mexico sends.  And they [mexican police] do, drive them right to the border and drop them off.  In those instances, they are typically criminals being dropped at the border so mexico doesn't have to deal with it (along with drug runners via corrupt or fearful of the cartels police).  Is it a large percentage of the illegals?  No. 

I don't know anyone who hasn't met an immigrant. What a silly assed question. But I guess I should consider the source.

I grew up on the border, both in Texas and in New Mexico. Two of my best friend's families were illegals, one just got their citizenship after 20 years in the country. To imply that more than likely these people are grew up around were criminals simply because they were Mexican is REALLY fucking racist! And the majority of immigrants are not criminals and he is pulling that straight out of his ass.

They would have still been your best friends if they had applied through the legal process of staying in the USA.  Again, it is not racist to expect immigrants to do this legally. 

He is saying that, because of the race of Latino immigrants, they are likely criminals and rapists (which is a bit redundant anyways).

I'm trying so hard not to resort to personal attacks, but fuck you are being a stupid motherfucker right now.

Again, you should re-read the actual quote.  And its a shame you have such a short fuse.  Nature or Nurture...  a whole different topic.

Just because you are being intentionally dense and refusing to acknowledge that something can mean the same thing without being quoted verbatim is getting really dull really quickly.

Devil in the details... and all that. 

Well, if you look at my posting history you will see I have actually posted threads about my disdain for the Obama administration's war crimes and silencing of whistleblowers, but why don't you just talk more shit without knowing what you are even talking about? That seems to be all you have done so far.

So answer the question.  Are you going to call for Obama to be prosecuted under war crimes?  Or is your morality subjective?  After all, Trump has not killed any civilians or waterboarded anyone.

Yeah. Okay. So the offended ethnic group doesn't know what racism is, and you are the one who get to decide what is or isn't ACTUALLY racially offensive.

Yeah.  I thought I was clear.  Let me say it again

I get to decide for myself what I think is racist.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

And they [mexican police] do, drive them right to the border and drop them off.

Proof, please.

[Mermaid]

Yes I did bold that part of Trumps quote.  He is not claiming all illegals, rather the ones that mexico sends.  And they [mexican police] do, drive them right to the border and drop them off.  In those instances, they are typically criminals being dropped at the border so mexico doesn't have to deal with it (along with drug runners via corrupt or fearful of the cartels police).

What the fuck are you smoking?

[Hijiri Byakuren]

What the fuck are you smoking?

Whatever it is, I want some.

[Shiranu]

The Trump crowd were saints, how dare those evil oppressive counter-protesters exercising their right to free speech silence poor widdle Trump's right to free speech!