Ye Greate US Mass Shooting thread

[josephpalazzo]

Hey, Allah might be hiding in there someplace.

And who are you to question the will of Allah the great and his great plan for humanity?!??

[Unbeliever]

I just found out today that ammo sales surged after the San Bernardino tragedy.

Apparently this is nothing new...

[Youssuf Ramadan]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/california-dad-killed-son-argument-165852452.html

California: Dad killed by his son after argument over washing machine leads to mass shooting


A New Year's Eve fight ended in a quadruple killing when a man killed his wife and two others, before his son fatally shot him. The victims were the son's 48-year-old girlfriend, who also lived at the property in Rowlands Height, California, as well as a 27-year-old man who was visiting.
"We're still trying to corroborate the versions of events that occurred and what we're being told occurred," sheriff's lieutenant John Corina said. "It looks like it was a dispute between the dad and the son's girlfriend, probably over using the washing machine. For some reason, this set the dad off."
The 54-year-old father was a heavy drinker with a large gun collection, according to authorities. The mother and brother of the 27-year-old who was killed told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune his name was Ernesto Calzadilla and that he had an eight-month-old daughter.

Maria Cruz confirmed that her son, Ernesto Calzadilla was among the dead. She did not know the family, but her son had socialised with them.
"He would always come around and hang around here because they were really nice to him," Cruz said. "I think the dad had some issues, mental issues."
A neighbour said the family was known for partying. "It looks like they drink heavily every day," Corina said.
Christopher Morey, the 33-year-old son managed to wrestle the semi-automatic pistol away from his father and shot him. Morey is being held on suspicion of murder and on $1m bail, authorities said an NBC report.
According to a police official, Morey and his girlfriend were staying at the Rowland Heights house to look after the 54-year-old mother, who had recently suffered a stroke. "They had been taking care of her," Corina said. "She was in a hospital bed there in the middle of the living room."

Good grief....

[josephpalazzo]

It wasn't guns but mental issues//s

[SGOS]

It's good to have a loaded gun nearby.  You never know when some asshole is going to argue over the washing machine.  If the asshole is younger than you, and if you're too drunk to think clearly, you can kill him with your gun.

[drunkenshoe]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/california-dad-killed-son-argument-165852452.html

Ayyyh... This is a fucking nightmare.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

And here I am with my little .22 rifle in the corner wondering why I even have it. Thing's been collecting dust four the last five years, I think. Should probably take it apart and clean it one of these days.

[Baruch]

If you ever had a close relative who had a terminal or lingering debilitation illness ... then you would understand murder/suicide.  If you ever went thru a divorce ... then you would understand murder/suicide.  This seems to be a murder/suicide that went different than planned, because the family members taking care of the mother, interfered.  I don't think it had anything to do with a washing machine, though heavy drinking is known to cause bad results.  An over-zealous DA is probably also involved.  The son who shot the father, was probably engaged in self defense of his mother, his girlfriend and himself.  The washing machine angle doesn't match any MO ... but murder/suicide does.  The father could have 'turned" in seconds given the availability of the guns and alcohol.

If you haven't had a suicide or murder in your family, then you won't understand.

[Shiranu]

Yes, gun worshipping is a problem. But most importantly, Americans are angry. Different Americans from different groups. They are angry.

Quoted from a different thread, but I felt it's response was more relevant to be post here than there.

This just happened a couple days ago to someone from the city I live in.

http://smmercury.com/2016/01/01/san-marcos-high-school-alumna-dies-from-gunshot-wound-in-road-rage-tragedy/

DENTON â€" A 20-year-old former Martindale resident died in a north Texas hospital this evening after being shot in the head during what police have a characterized as an early morning road rage incident.

Sara Mutschlechner, an University of North Texas junior who graduated from San Marcos High School in 2013, was driving friends home from a party in Denton at about 2:03 a.m. when “words were exchanged between the occupants of the SUV and the occupants of the victim’s vehicle,” Denton police officer Shane Kizer said in a written statement to media. Mutschlechner died this evening after being taken off life support, Kizer said.

Here is the full press release from the Denton Police Department followed by video from the FOX network local news affiliate in Dallas:

The Denton Police Department received a call at 2:06 a.m. Jan. 1 in reference to a gunshot victim. Officers responded to the 1700 block of North Elm Street and found a single gunshot victim lying on the ground next to a four-door sedan. The sedan had crashed into an electrical pole.

Witnesses on the scene said the victim was in the driver’s seat operating the vehicle. There were three adult passengers in the vehicle, as well. A dark colored Toyota or Lexus sport’s utility vehicle drove up next to the sedan on N Elm St. Several words were exchanged between the occupants of the SUV and the occupants in the victim’s vehicle. As both vehicles were crossing the University Dr intersection, an occupant in the SUV fired multiple rounds at the victim. The victim was struck in the head. The victim’s vehicle ran into an uninvolved vehicle and then crashed into an electrical pole, finally coming to a stop. The SUV fled from the scene.

One of the passengers in the victim’s vehicle suffered minor injuries from the accident. The female passenger was taken to Denton Regional Medical Center where she was treated and released. The 20 year old female shooting victim was also transported to DRMC by Denton Fire and Rescue where she remains in critical condition. She is a current student at the University of North Texas and a former resident of Martindale.

This is something I have worried about myself, that I have had to actively think about while driving... "What if I cut off some idiot on accident, or do anything remotely offensive to him, and he decides to start firing into my car?". It happens, this is certainly not the first time I have heard of road rage escalating into a shooting (or even someone getting out with a baseball bat or crowbar and wailing on someone).

I have seen videos from Eastern Europe and Latin America where people will pull guns to intimidate other drivers... but I don't live in a recovering failed communist state or a drug cartel stronghold... I live in supposedly the most advanced and developed country in the world. So why the fuck should I have to be concerned with someone shooting or beating me for the absolute smallest of perceived slight?

And yet I do, and I know other people who feel they have to watch what they say to avoid offending someone to the point they will get shot.

I don't know if it's so much of Americans being angry though drunken as much as it is Americans being immature brats with fragile egos and no balls... I think being just angry gives these type of people too much credit.

[drunkenshoe]

More relevant,Shir. I was reacting to Baruch's "Americans are violent" statement and thinking of mass shootings and gun violence. I do believe in what I said, but I don't think it is limited to road rage and you all please be becareful. Let it go, don't react harshly whatever people do.

[Baruch]

Fear, anger, hate ... and violence ... make the world go round.  Securing resources without regard to morality, just to get the wife to stop nagging ;-)  I bet Genghis Khan had a hell of a mother, mother-in-law or wife ;-)

This particular instance isn't a gun control issue ... if a murder suicide ... the husband could have tired to end his wife's life with a baseball bat.  Of course it would then have been easier for the other family members to defend ... trivially so if the son had an NRA full automatic ... and could out-weapon his baseball bat wielding father.

Also isn't this (per original reference) ... American-violence porn for the Brits to poo poo over?  Does the Guardian report every violent act in N America?  On the other hand ... is it just a meme that the British are some kind of pacifists?

I have been the cause of two cases of road rage in the last 20 years.  I am not a very good driver I am afraid.  Both were unintentional cutoffs.  The last time the other guy went completely psychotic ... but was unarmed.  Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten to know you folks.

[josephpalazzo]

Do I have to repeat myself: if everyone around you owns a gun, you are more likely to want to own a gun (NRA propaganda works very well in the US). Reverse that logic: if no one around you owns guns, then it is most likely that you will not seek to own a gun (that which the NRA doesn't want you think). So far, NRA is winning by a long shot, therefore dumb Americans...

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Do I have to repeat myself: if everyone around you owns a gun, you are more likely to want to own a gun (NRA propaganda works very well in the US). Reverse that logic: if no one around you owns guns, then it is most likely that you will not seek to own a gun (that which the NRA doesn't want you think). So far, NRA is winning by a long shot, therefore dumb Americans...

How many Americans own guns?

[josephpalazzo]

How many Americans own guns?

In the absence of a gun registry, that is not known, however, there is an estimate of an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents. By all accounts, that's pretty high.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

In the absence of a gun registry, that is not known, however, there is an estimate of an average of 89 firearms for every 100 residents. By all accounts, that's pretty high.

I think I've mentioned that fifty of my relatives have a collective 7,000+ guns, with the rest of them having diminishing numbers. This, if extrapolated to the general population, would skew the results with regard to individual ownership, I think. The hypergunners make it seem like everybody in the US is armed, which I suspect is not the case. They certainly don't have as many guns per person as non-US sources would have us think.