Creation of light without a sun?

[aitm]

well don't get me started on jealousy and hatred and fear. How would something understand  human emotions before humans were invented? But more importantly, how could a god, the most powerful ever, that has been in existence forever, without anybody or anything to challenge it….understand fear? Or death?

It can't. That is why humans are superior to the "creator". The can sacrifice themselves for others while god can only wish he had such courage.

[josephpalazzo]

well don't get me started on jealousy and hatred and fear. How would something understand  human emotions before humans were invented? But more importantly, how could a god, the most powerful ever, that has been in existence forever, without anybody or anything to challenge it….understand fear? Or death?

It can't. That is why humans are superior to the "creator". The can sacrifice themselves for others while god can only wish he had such courage.

Didn't he send his son to be sacrificed? So there!

[aitm]

Didn't he send his son to be sacrificed? So there!

yeah, rat bastard "sacrificed" his son from a smelly-ass goat herder to a fucking god…..don't we all wish eh?

[Baruch]

aitm - for me you are stating a false dichotomy.  Humans express G-d's humanity, for better or worse, and are more than slavish automatons, but have free will .. as does G-d.  If humans want a better G-d, then they need to behave better.

[aitm]

aitm - for me you are stating a false dichotomy.  Humans express G-d's humanity, for better or worse, and are more than slavish automatons, but have free will .. as does G-d.  If humans want a better G-d, then they need to behave better.

god says we are created in his image, which would suggest we would share his jealousy, rage, anger and fear. Except the obvious, that as none of these ever existed prior to humans existence, god would have to imagine these emotions prior to our "creation" or actually be capable of these emotions which makes him more human and far less of a god.  How could a god understand true fear when there is no way even god could  experience true fear?

[Baruch]

G-d experiences true fear, every time you do.  We are G-d's semi-autonomous teledildonics ... think of Sims, only better.

[aitm]

G-d experiences true fear, every time you do.  We are G-d's semi-autonomous teledildonics ... think of Sims, only better.

Not likely, they don't exist remember?

[Baruch]

I have a copy of Sims on my computer ;-)

[ProtoGlenn]

Off topic, but I don't see the appeal of the bible at all.  I mean, even if you did believe in any of it, wouldn't it warn you that nothing is for sure?  Didn't G-d break his promise with Abraham?  What's to say that if there was a heaven, that he'd let anyone in at all or not cast you out at a later time?  Angels have fallen from his grace, what's to say mankind wont do the same in the end?  The only way I can see it being possible is if they were stripped of their free will, and to me that doesn't sound like an eternity of happiness at all.  It seems like a lot of pointless sacrifices for something that isn't for sure, or isn't appealing.

[peacewithoutgod]

G-d experiences true fear, every time you do.  We are G-d's semi-autonomous teledildonics ... think of Sims, only better.

You contradicted yourself there - in a previous post you said we are not automatons, as opposed to merely "semi-autonomous".

[peacewithoutgod]

aitm - for me you are stating a false dichotomy.  Humans express G-d's humanity, for better or worse, and are more than slavish automatons, but have free will .. as does G-d.  If humans want a better G-d, then they need to behave better.

Humans express their own humanity (or lack of it) in the gods they create. If  you are going to insist that any gods are more real than vampires, banshees, broomstick-riding witches, or 6-foot and bipedal rabbits, then it's you who needs to submit evidence for such a claim.

[josephpalazzo]

I tend to be suspicious of people who self-proclaimed to be an apologist for a divine entity.

[Baruch]

You contradicted yourself there - in a previous post you said we are not automatons, as opposed to merely "semi-autonomous".

You will need to quote that ... and I will need the Papal Curia to throw some apologetics at it ... bwahaha!

[Baruch]

Humans express their own humanity (or lack of it) in the gods they create. If  you are going to insist that any gods are more real than vampires, banshees, broomstick-riding witches, or 6-foot and bipedal rabbits, then it's you who needs to submit evidence for such a claim.

Yes, we express our humanity is countless ways ... including in fancy religions (which are really unnecessary but I digress) ... and yes, pookas are quite real, in art, but not is science.  But fortunately as per another thread, we will send all those pesky nerds (but not the master race geeks) to the concentration camps.  Really, just a war between different corners of the Meyer-Briggs spectrum.  Can't we all get along?  I can do multiple aspects of Meyer-Briggs and not be a war with myself ... at least on most days ;-)

[Baruch]

I tend to be suspicious of people who self-proclaimed to be an apologist for a divine entity.

I couldn't agree more.  And I trust apologists for capitalism even less ... the "hidden hand" is Goldman Sachs (who says they are just doing god's work ... well they are ... Mammon (a goddess BTW)).  Not to say that there isn't something better than fictional characters ... there is, they are called real characters.  But bibliophiles have a hard time distinguishing between the two ;-))