Author Topic: Present Evidence Here II  (Read 131301 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #855 on: May 09, 2020, 05:05:40 PM »
The scare quotes around "miracle" are a bit of a tell

Real priests gamble with loaded dice.  Snake eyes every time! ;-)

G-d plays with loaded dice - contrary to Einstein ... which pretty much nullifies all the pseudo-intellectual basis for atheism
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Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #856 on: April 13, 2021, 01:11:53 PM »
Evidence?  You mean -- sunsets, flowers, and babies being born isn't enough?  :D

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #857 on: April 13, 2021, 02:24:01 PM »
Evidence?  You mean -- sunsets, flowers, and babies being born isn't enough?  :D
Don, one of my minor hobbies is doing Jesus research.  I have a degree in history and taught it for 38ish years and so I tend to like most history topics.  Anyway, I have done enough studying to convince myself that Jesus did not actually exist and that he is a mashup of many different avatars of that time period.  What ended up being the final compelling element of the 'history' of Jesus is that not a single writer wrote about the guy during his proposed lifespan.  If Jesus existed Philo would have wrote about him!  BTW, Richard Carrier is one of my favorite writers on the subject.  Anyway, Don, what are your thoughts on that subject?
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline aitm

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #858 on: April 13, 2021, 06:31:38 PM »
Evidence?  You mean -- sunsets, flowers, and babies being born isn't enough?  :D
I got your sarcasm.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #859 on: April 20, 2021, 11:05:13 AM »
Mike CL:  Anyway, Don, what are your thoughts on that subject?
100% Agreement.  You are correct that there wasn't one writer, historian, official scribe, known author...NOBODY contemporary to the time that the mythical Jesus would have lived, ever wrote one word about him.  Not one.  Only the other mythical people (NT gospels) and those are already highly suspect and often inconsistent.  But what can you expect when they didn't actually record anything in written form until at least three decades would have passed after Christ's alleged death.  I can't give you accurate, word for word information about a TV show that I watched yesterday.  I can only imagine how bad my recall would be about "Jesus said....THIS" some 3 or more decades later!  I mean, Matthew and Luke totally screwed up recounting the birth of Christ -- each tying it to an event, one claiming Christ was born before 4 BCE (for Herod to be king of Israel, because Herod died 4 BCE; see Matthew 2:1) and one claiming that he was born after 6AD (when Quirinius was governor of Syria; see Luke 2:1-7).  So much for the inerrant word of god... that is a one-decade, mutually exclusive gap.  So, yeah, it really is utter nonsense.  Hence, my sarcasm about the believers today who claim that beautiful sunsets, babies being born, lovely, pretty flowers, etc, are "all the proof you need that god is real and he created all of this."  Completely void of any common sense and the ability for critical thinking.

Re: Present Evidence Here II
« Reply #860 on: April 20, 2021, 12:01:07 PM »
Mike CL:  Anyway, Don, what are your thoughts on that subject?
100% Agreement.  You are correct that there wasn't one writer, historian, official scribe, known author...NOBODY contemporary to the time that the mythical Jesus would have lived, ever wrote one word about him.  Not one.  Only the other mythical people (NT gospels) and those are already highly suspect and often inconsistent.  But what can you expect when they didn't actually record anything in written form until at least three decades would have passed after Christ's alleged death.  I can't give you accurate, word for word information about a TV show that I watched yesterday.  I can only imagine how bad my recall would be about "Jesus said....THIS" some 3 or more decades later!  I mean, Matthew and Luke totally screwed up recounting the birth of Christ -- each tying it to an event, one claiming Christ was born before 4 BCE (for Herod to be king of Israel, because Herod died 4 BCE; see Matthew 2:1) and one claiming that he was born after 6AD (when Quirinius was governor of Syria; see Luke 2:1-7).  So much for the inerrant word of god... that is a one-decade, mutually exclusive gap.  So, yeah, it really is utter nonsense.  Hence, my sarcasm about the believers today who claim that beautiful sunsets, babies being born, lovely, pretty flowers, etc, are "all the proof you need that god is real and he created all of this."  Completely void of any common sense and the ability for critical thinking.
One of the first things I noticed about Jesus and the bible were the inconstancies in the Jesus story.  I read many, many christian 'scholars' explain it away by saying that it was recalled decades (or longer) after his death.  So, of course, there would be inconstancies; that is to be expected.  But that the story was more or less, true.  My thought was that if a creator god kept screwing up his creation (a perfect creation that he kept getting wrong) and had to make attempt after attempt to right his wrongs, (for example, the garden of eden, Noah and the flood, the tower of babble, etc.), and those also failed.  These tales have all the ear marks of myth and legend--and that god is simply a human construct.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?