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Mike Cl:
How democracies slide into authoritarianism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/12/07/how-democracies-slide-into-authoritarianism/

"But this was not just a story of individuals: Milosz also explains why proud and formerly free nations gradually submitted to the compulsions of others. This process hardly ever occurred all at once. The changes happened slowly, almost imperceptibly, and began by a weakening of the will to resist."

"Around the world, authoritarian rulers are on the march, waging a sustained assault on facts, reason and democracy. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and other authoritarian states have worked to interfere with and suppress debate in other nations, just as they stifle dissent at home. While Milosz’s message holds special relevance for those living in autocracies, its resonance extends to both free and unfree nations today.

He reminds us that yes-men always accompany the rise of would-be authoritarians. Pointing to the roles that fear, greed, tribalism and ambition play, he underscores that while the motivations for accommodation can vary, the end result — obedience — remains constant."

For the past 2/3 decades I have noticed this, but refused to think it would have much of an impact on my country.  Trump saw and acted upon what I had seen and refused to accept.   People are sheeple, especially in this country when controlled by religions.  Now it seems the entire world is rejecting all forms of democracy or republics in favor of dictators.  I have tried to figure that out, but I just can't wrap my head around it. 

Cassia:
When living in South Florida I knew many Cuban (and a few Russian) defectors. Most were staunch Republicans as they felt abandoned by JFK during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and were wary of any form of Socialism. My impression of them was they were sharp, hard workers. In conversations they mentioned that most of their fellow citizens they left behind were simply lazy. They wanted someone to think for them, to tell them what to and when to do it.

Watching the "Bald and Bankrupt" youtube blogger as he travels the old soviet block it seems many of the older people lament the fall of the Soviet Union and long for the old days. Most of the old block from Russia to Estonia and Ukraine makes the US infrastructure look good, LOL. For example...


Mike Cl:

--- Quote from: Cassia on March 05, 2021, 11:34:42 AM ---When living in South Florida I knew many Cuban (and a few Russian) defectors. Most were staunch Republicans as they felt abandoned by JFK during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and were wary of any form of Socialism. My impression of them was they were sharp, hard workers. In conversations they mentioned that most of their fellow citizens they left behind were simply lazy. They wanted someone to think for them, to tell them what to and when to do it.

Watching the "Bald and Bankrupt" youtube blogger as he travels the old soviet block it seems many of the older people lament the fall of the Soviet Union and long for the old days. Most of the old block from Russia to Estonia and Ukraine makes the US infrastructure look good, LOL. For example...


Interesting Russian saying--In my inner world.  My inner world is certainty changing.  It is not a change for the better.  The US is following in the footsteps of the video--we are slowly, ever so slowly crumbling.  Everything from being a coherent country to the infrastructure; one chip, one nick, at a time.  We did dodge a bullet on Jan. 6.  But that was not the end.  As a republic, we have a huge climb ahead and I am not at all sure we will stay a republic.

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Draconic Aiur:

--- Quote from: Mike Cl on March 05, 2021, 10:48:38 AM ---How democracies slide into authoritarianism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/12/07/how-democracies-slide-into-authoritarianism/

"But this was not just a story of individuals: Milosz also explains why proud and formerly free nations gradually submitted to the compulsions of others. This process hardly ever occurred all at once. The changes happened slowly, almost imperceptibly, and began by a weakening of the will to resist."

"Around the world, authoritarian rulers are on the march, waging a sustained assault on facts, reason and democracy. China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and other authoritarian states have worked to interfere with and suppress debate in other nations, just as they stifle dissent at home. While Milosz’s message holds special relevance for those living in autocracies, its resonance extends to both free and unfree nations today.

He reminds us that yes-men always accompany the rise of would-be authoritarians. Pointing to the roles that fear, greed, tribalism and ambition play, he underscores that while the motivations for accommodation can vary, the end result — obedience — remains constant."

For the past 2/3 decades I have noticed this, but refused to think it would have much of an impact on my country.  Trump saw and acted upon what I had seen and refused to accept.   People are sheeple, especially in this country when controlled by religions.  Now it seems the entire world is rejecting all forms of democracy or republics in favor of dictators.  I have tried to figure that out, but I just can't wrap my head around it. 

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Perhaps the bar is too lowered that democrats become authoritarianism or people of all political sides watch their media outlets religiously. Either way world wide decency is gone especially in America, and the only way to get it back is through command or war.

Mike Cl:

--- Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 05, 2021, 03:24:30 PM --- 

Perhaps the bar is too lowered that democrats become authoritarianism or people of all political sides watch their media outlets religiously. Either way world wide decency is gone especially in America, and the only way to get it back is through command or war.

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The eroding of 'truth' is a big red flag!  The extreme right has had the 'media' in its sight for decades and trumps nonstop lying has hastened the process.  People are caring less and less what the truth is, what the facts are; only what they deem the truth to be or what the facts are to them matters any more. Dictators love that type of of environment.

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