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Genealogy of Cheezus
« on: February 11, 2021, 10:49:24 PM »
One little oversight in the New Testament. Unlike the gospels of Mark and John that start when cheesus was an adult; Mathew gives a genealogy of baby cheesus back to David and Abraham while Luke goes all the way back to Eve's Adam, LOL. Impressive and as prophesized. Except the line goes through Joseph. You know, the guy that is not the real father of Cheesus. How fucking stupid.

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2021, 11:01:46 AM »
The bible is rife with this kind of stuff.  This is a site that deals with that subject and is always a fun read:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible

And Unbeliever has tons of sites bookmarked that deal with the subject, as well.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2021, 11:12:54 AM »
The bible is rife with this kind of stuff.  This is a site that deals with that subject and is always a fun read:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bible

And Unbeliever has tons of sites bookmarked that deal with the subject, as well.

Ha, the second para of that site says..
The Bible includes a staggering number of myths that readers may interpret either literally or allegorically, largely depending on their level of education.
Too funny...

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2021, 11:22:56 AM »
This is another quote from the rationalwiki site. 

Take some time and put the Bible on your summer reading list. Try and stick with it, cover to cover. Not because it teaches history — we've shown you it doesn't. Read it because you'll see for yourself what the Bible is all about — it sure isn't great literature. If it were published as fiction, no reviewer would give it a passing grade. There are some vivid scenes and some quotable phrases, but — there's no plot. No structure. There's a tremendous amount of filler, and the characters are painfully one-dimensional. Whatever you do, don't read the Bible for a moral code. It advocates prejudice, cruelty, superstition, and murder. Read it because we need more atheists. And nothing will get you there faster than reading the damn Bible.
—Penn Jillette, Penn & Teller: Bullshit![9]

This is personally funny because that is the conclusion I came to while reading the bible cover-to-cover. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline aitm

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2021, 11:31:39 AM »
I also read if almost from cover to cover....one has to draw the limits on how much of he begat whom who begat who etc....
But they should certainly put on billboards all the fun stuff about the women seeking men with size of horses and the emission of donkeys....that’ll put mum in an interesting quagmire to discuss with lil Jimmy and Jill.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Offline SGOS

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2021, 02:48:00 PM »
The genealogy would have the Mormons tearing their hair out in disgrace for not being able to produce such family records.  With the record keeping of today, anyone might be quite privileged to know who his great grandfather even was.  But it's getting better, and sometimes we can beat the Mormons just through the ever growing database on the net.  My sister goes bonkers for this ancestry stuff, and was recently able to identify a possible great, great, grandfather on my father's side of the family, who she is moderately confident might be our ancestor.  But there are more begats in the Bible than that.  How many years from Adam to Jesus had passed?  I guess some would do some simple math and come up with 4000 years, but that Bible math based on the Biblical age of the universe,... not math.

I suppose it's easier when you have some identifiable people, even mythical people to assemble them in an order of some sort.  I recently saw this done with the Marvel Universe going back to 2010.  You've got the movies so they can be arranged in the order they were released, or in their chronological order, which is not at all the same.  You can arrange bullshit in lots of different ways, as long has you have some bullshit to start with.
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Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2021, 09:14:12 PM »
The vast majority of Christians have never read the entirety of "God's Holy Word" but why not? Could it possibly be that the Bible is the most boring and confusing piece of work ever put in writing? You'd think they'd be avid readers of the thing if they really and truly believed it to be "God-breathed."

I suspect they don't really and truly believe it.
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2021, 12:03:59 PM »
The vast majority of Christians have never read the entirety of "God's Holy Word" but why not? Could it possibly be that the Bible is the most boring and confusing piece of work ever put in writing? You'd think they'd be avid readers of the thing if they really and truly believed it to be "God-breathed."

I suspect they don't really and truly believe it.
They don't read it in the same manner people don't read the dictionary.

Both are reference sources where you use bits and pieces found in them to support whatever views you might have.
In dog beers I've only had one.

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2021, 01:12:47 PM »
One little oversight in the New Testament. Unlike the gospels of Mark and John that start when cheesus was an adult; Mathew gives a genealogy of baby cheesus back to David and Abraham while Luke goes all the way back to Eve's Adam, LOL. Impressive and as prophesized. Except the line goes through Joseph. You know, the guy that is not the real father of Cheesus. How fucking stupid.
Are you accusing religious people of not thinking about what's in their book(s)?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2021, 01:14:43 PM »
They don't read it in the same manner people don't read the dictionary.
I spent six months in bed when I was twelve. When Mom ran out of things for me to read she gave me a "desk dictionary" about a foot thick. I went through it cover to cover. (And yes, that's not "reading" it.)
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Offline trdsf

Re: Genealogy of Cheezus
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2021, 06:03:59 PM »
I also read if almost from cover to cover....one has to draw the limits on how much of he begat whom who begat who etc....
But they should certainly put on billboards all the fun stuff about the women seeking men with size of horses and the emission of donkeys....that’ll put mum in an interesting quagmire to discuss with lil Jimmy and Jill.
I'm a little late following up on this, but I think it was Aron Ra who said every time he's offered to read bible verses to the children of Christians on the provision that he picks the verses, the answer has always been 'NO!'

Certainly those verses never came up in my Catholic school years, were never in any of the readings in church, nor in summer bible school.  Funny thing about that.  I did stumble across them on my own while flipping through the old family bible.  It's hard to reconcile rape, murder, slavery and genocide with the so-called 'good news'.  Which is why they don't bother trying and pretend the murder, rape, slavery and genocide don't exist.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan