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Offline trdsf

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2020, 10:26:49 PM »
Sagan never uttered the phrase "billions and billions." That's an urban myth.

:-)

Actually, he did, but not in Cosmos.  I believe he did it on the Johnny Carson show to retroactively make it that he actually said it at some point.  :D
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Offline Baruch

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2020, 10:33:29 AM »
Sagan never uttered the phrase "billions and billions." That's an urban myth.

:-)

Sagan was an alien from the future ;-)  Remember his spaceship of the imagination?



Of course Youtube is a vast Trump conspiracy ...
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Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2020, 04:44:00 PM »
Sagan was a pothead, he said it helped him think more creatively.

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Offline Baruch

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2020, 07:20:50 PM »
Sagan was a pothead, he said it helped him think more creatively.

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He never got to go into space physically, but he had other ways ;-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2020, 12:00:34 AM »
The problem with theoretical physics not backed up with repeatable observation or controlled experiment ..

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Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2020, 07:36:29 AM »
Most of the advances in electronics, lasers, microscopy, and nuclear engineering is based on QM, however those advances seem to have been incidental to the spooky stuff. Quantum communication and computing advances are revolutionary and we are just getting started. My SO always says that we don't even know what we don't know. 

Offline SGOS

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2020, 08:30:51 AM »
Sagan never uttered the phrase "billions and billions." That's an urban myth.

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I guess I better watch Cosmos again, because I remember him saying "billions and billions" about a billion times.  This doesn't help much, but supposedly it's on record:


Offline Baruch

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2020, 10:09:37 AM »
Most of the advances in electronics, lasers, microscopy, and nuclear engineering is based on QM, however those advances seem to have been incidental to the spooky stuff. Quantum communication and computing advances are revolutionary and we are just getting started. My SO always says that we don't even know what we don't know.

"we don't even know what we don't know" because of quantum woo (see previous string), and thru that open door, warp drive and every sci fi nonsense enters.  A general purpose quantum computer has factored 143 ... an awesome accomplishment!  And don't we have fusion reactors powering our cars yet?  If we did, would a car accident result in a thermonuclear explosion?  Starting with H G Wells sci fi is actually communist propaganda, not innocent entertainment.  Right now, Klaus Schwab wants to turn the world into Morlocks and Eloi.  Thru scientism, not science.

Yes, per Jules Verne/Karl Marx, communism is made inevitable by technical/medical progress?  But what if this non-political progress is finite?  And why is it tied to dubious social/political progress based on the French Revolution?  Moore's Law ended 10 years ago.  You won't be having sub-atomic cell phones ... the keypad would be impractical ;-))  Star Cops did feature a one of a kind cell phone/internet terminal.  That was in the tradition of Jules Verne.  But Carl Sagan was one of the Jewish atheist technocrats pushing this collectivist fantasy.

Independent anyons IMHO, so far, are like super-strings.  A cross between a boson and a fermion (two families of quantum statistics).  They do exist as part of a potential architecture of quantum computing, as a phenomenon inside matter, not in empty space.  Phonons for example exist as quantized sound (in matter).  Same with my post on magnetic monopoles.  Collective behavior happens with matter, and does matter.  But don't think of these as elementary particles.

We knew there were free electrons because J J Thompson actually produced them in a reproducible way, in a lab.  Not because he had some beautiful brain child/math he was enamored of.  Let someone produce a stream of anyons, or super-strings and I will believe them.  Of course, electrons as dependent, inside a crystal lattice, is very useful indeed (all solid state electronics is based on it).  They are able to fulfill both roles.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2021, 09:23:00 PM »
I know whenever I saw a McDonald's sign that read "Billions and billions served" I always wanted to replace it with "Over one sagan served".
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Offline SGOS

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2021, 02:56:04 AM »
I know whenever I saw a McDonald's sign that read "Billions and billions served" I always wanted to replace it with "Over one sagan served".
I grew up in Chicago, and I remember the first McDonald's to open.  It was in Elmhurst, IL, which was a short drive from our home.  At the time, it was just one more burger joint, and we never expected there to be another restaurant someplace else.  Our family was always impressed with the sign "Over One Million Served."  We used to wonder, "Do you think they really sold that many?"  I actually remember it saying, "Over 100,000 SOLD,"  but I can't find anything to verify that, although that's what I picture in my head.

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2021, 01:16:31 PM »
I heard that in Japan you can now get a burger ( I think from Burger King) that can protect you from evil spirits.


Anything to sell more product, I guess.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Anyons proven to exist
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2021, 03:04:43 PM »
I heard that in Japan you can now get a burger ( I think from Burger King) that can protect you from evil spirits.


Anything to sell more product, I guess.

Nah, you go to a bar, get a drink with snake blood in it, the snake cut open right into your drink, makes you stronger with the girls ;-)
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