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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2020, 09:28:55 PM »
I agree, most trends point to a future with sex robots, for some reason they seem to be "bow-legged".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4798599/harmony-3-0-sex-robot-with-self-lubricating-vagina-will-be-released-in-time-for-christmas/

Just looked at the video on that page, and man. They've still got a long way to go before having conversations with these things will sound believable. But part of me also doesn't want that. I don't know. Having a conversation with an inanimate object just feels weird.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2020, 09:52:15 PM »
Having a conversation with an inanimate object just feels weird.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2020, 10:37:57 PM »
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I usually give my age in hex. My sweetheart pulled that on when we met, LOL.
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Offline Baruch

Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2020, 11:45:58 PM »
I usually give my age in hex. My sweetheart pulled that on when we met, LOL.

From Pennsylvanian Dutch country? ;-)
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #49 on: December 21, 2020, 03:59:05 AM »
Like a blow-up doll? Which, coincidentally, I'm as inclined to put my penis in, as much as a 'realdoll'.
Honestly, masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of. But buying and maintaining a prop like that... Just not appealing.

Yeah, I agree with you. But then think how most people viewed simple masturbation aids like vibrators or silicon vaginas just a few decades ago. It's a common product now. So I think this is about getting used to it like almost everything else. And in time, people will be born into that culture and it would be like buying a new toaster.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #50 on: December 21, 2020, 04:27:39 AM »
Beyond silicon dolls, imagine a time when Blade Runner like androids are available. I mean, the machines so good we can't tell the difference. An individual doll that can learn and grow, get old, and can mimic human warmth, sincerity and every human behaviour in an excellent way. By 'excellent', I definitely don't mean some slave, a character that would do anything you want, obey your every wish, but something better.

A machine with the ability of learning so good in every dimension about the human's nature he/she lives with, it knows when and where to conflict with him/her, support or not support in what, show which attitude when and change and adjust them according to the human's past, all kinds of experiences and life long changes of that human to maintain his/her attraction perpetually.

For example, she would cheat on you if that's necessary or won't cheat on you even if its life depended on it. A machine that can get old with you, will be loyal to you to the end no matter what. As in a traditonally ideal relationship. There could be divorces or break up...even years spent apart, doesn't matter. The story will be calculated on the way but with a certain goal. Creating a doll to make the bullshit idea of 'soul mate', a real thing as much as possible.

But of course as you may guess, there is one fatal point of this system that would collapse it in a second. The human must not be aware that this companion is a machine for this to work. Because the human I know will reject anything/anyone he/she thinks 'under' his/her league -which is everything and everyone else in the universe- doesn't matter what's his/her actual need to be happy and peaceful. (Which is often very simple.) It is a narcisisstic, megolamaniac, egocentric piece of shit species, and actually I think that's the reason we have been entertaining ourselves with the sci-fi AI concepts in one direction that is largely based on their awerness and shock at not being human. The mind breaking existential crisis the poor machines go through...naturally can only be responded by an attempt of genocidal global revolution and some sort of machine dictatorship, no less.     

So, I think the success of this industry in a high context does not depend on machines' self awareness, but human's complete ignorance of machines.

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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #51 on: December 21, 2020, 07:55:35 AM »
A machine with the ability of learning so good in every dimension about the human's nature he/she lives with, it knows when and where to conflict with him/her, support or not support in what, show which attitude when and change and adjust them according to the human's past, all kinds of experiences and life long changes of that human to maintain his/her attraction perpetually.

I think you make a good point that an android for an ongoing, fulfilling relationship would decide what the user needs rather than the user themself and maintain the illusion they were completely human. For exciting masturbation, the user's fantasy of the moment would be sufficient.

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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #52 on: December 21, 2020, 07:58:40 AM »
Yeah, I agree with you. But then think how most people viewed simple masturbation aids like vibrators or silicon vaginas just a few decades ago. It's a common product now. So I think this is about getting used to it like almost everything else. And in time, people will be born into that culture and it would be like buying a new toaster.

Maybe. But for me... Even if I weren't in a long-lasting relationship, buying something like that would be akin to giving up.  I mean, at best it's a major expense you hope to use for as little time as possible. Because once you get a gf or prospects, you better get that shit out of your basement or attic fast and unseen. So best case scenario you pay like, i dunno, 800 bucks on something you'd rather not have. Worst case scenario, it actively stops you from going out and trying.
And then there'd be the maintenance. Unless they can develop sexbots to be advanced enough to be self-cleansing, that'd be the biggest turn-off of all. You know, with 'normal' masturbation, it's a matter of getting rid of a few tissues, afterward. Or cleaning one dildo or vibrator. Imagine having to dismantle that doll, put the used artificial vagina in the dishwasher (gross), wipe off it's body, clean out the dishwasher, fold the doll back up into it's storage box and bring it to it's 'hiding place'...
I mean, the idea of taking it out of that place and all the work it entails (during which i imagine a tad too much contemplation of your life choices would settle in), goes directly against the mainstream purpose of  masturbation.
When people masturbate, they almost always would indeed prefer to have real sex. But, and maybe I'm only speaking for myself here, masturbation is never going to fullfill that emotional need nor the actual feeling and sense of accomplishment that goes into sex. Masturbation is the fast-food equivalent; getting it done and over with relatively quick because you have an "urgent" need and can't wait to cook first or because you don't have anyone to take to a fancy restaurant.
Honestly, It'd be like renting a tuxedo.  Preparing some conversation starters. Getting ready for the most important date of your life. And then revealing that you ordered McDonalds at home. Set a mighty fancy table. Spend the evening talking to yourself. And then post pictures of your excquisite time on facebook and giving the McDonalds a yelp review.
That's not what fastfood is for. It just isn't.

Anyway... Maybe I'm old fashioned that way.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #53 on: December 21, 2020, 09:29:28 AM »
The porn industry has been a driving force for just about all types of industry.  From the time of books, this has been true--and probably from times before that, as well.  I remember hearing of 8 mm movies of porn when I was a child--never saw one, but wanted to.  Anyway, each new form of communication was partly taken over and driven by porn.  Androids will be no different.  In some respects, the porn driven androids will be made to be more 'human' like because they will sell better.  As always, the porn industry will thrive and it will always continue to do so.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #54 on: December 21, 2020, 09:44:02 AM »
Well, we'll be too old or gone by that point I imagine. Even if not, we highly likely won't be living in that world in that time.

Relationships...sex, love...etc. I don't know how to express this. My parents have been together since 1966. They got married in 1971. They have been together for 54 years. Their relationship is more than a decade longer than my entire life. Half a century plus four. Two quarters of a century plus four years.

Doesn't matter how I put it, it is virtually incomprehensible for me in reality. I don't mean anything romantic, soul mate...etc. They would laugh with their ass to those things. I've doubt if they ever celebrated an anniversary of even a birthday. I know they haven't. (I'm the same.) But nobody can say something negative about one in presence of the other. Doesn't matter how stupid or silly the subject is, they have an odd, but very strong way of supporting each other. You can't catch that if you don't pay attention and put your mind, it took me decades ffs. When that happens, I swear, it's like the whole world is cast aside and they're in an other dimension just by themselves, speaking a different language.

I get one thing from all that. They're not from this time of the world. So, that's what I mean. There could be a time, or a period in this world when human to human relationships are something of the past. It could then go back to the traditional ways... Then again...

 
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #55 on: December 21, 2020, 10:12:12 AM »
You're parents are unique, Shoe.  But not.  Each enduring relationship is somewhat unique to the particular couple you are referring to.  I don't see sex androids changing that.  Oh, their use will grow and at some point become common, if not accepted.  But human/human relationships will continue. 

What I'd love to see and be a part of (never even come close to my lifetime) a society that kills porn.  But it kills it because all forms of consensual sex will be seen as normal.  The human naked body will be simply accepted as what we look like and no big deal.   (But then porn would evolve into illegal stuff--like inflicting pain, using force and torture--I understand there are things like 'snuff' films that some get into--parts of society will always be grotesque I guess)
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #56 on: December 21, 2020, 10:26:11 AM »
Eventually every individual will show to the world, and to themselves, what a total loser they are ;-(
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #57 on: December 21, 2020, 10:39:49 AM »
You're parents are unique, Shoe.  But not.  Each enduring relationship is somewhat unique to the particular couple you are referring to.  I don't see sex androids changing that.  Oh, their use will grow and at some point become common, if not accepted.  But human/human relationships will continue.

Sure. But think about a human world where that relationship is not the norm or ideal but a marginal one.

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What I'd love to see and be a part of (never even come close to my lifetime) a society that kills porn.  But it kills it because all forms of consensual sex will be seen as normal.  The human naked body will be simply accepted as what we look like and no big deal.   (But then porn would evolve into illegal stuff--like inflicting pain, using force and torture--I understand there are things like 'snuff' films that some get into--parts of society will always be grotesque I guess)

Yeah...but it is not going to happen. Or maybe simply, I can't imgaine it.

If we can erase human memories and in addition to that develop a technology that can download an individual's conscienceness into another copy of their body, in other worlds make death obsolete for everyone, maybe then. Even then you can't stop the illegal action but at least the consequences, effects on a potential victim. But then again, like you said there would be another black market where people pay high amount of some valuable currency to kill people in REAL. (Do you know the series called Altered Carbon? Something like that.)

Nope, not gonna happen. We are animals. That's it and that's all. I can't even believe we have moved this far honestly. Wherever that is.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #58 on: December 21, 2020, 11:04:39 AM »
I think it's more likely that porn will evolve with the development of VR. As soon as VR existed, there was already porn for it. They'll create games and accessories to compliment it, and it'll get more realistic. Sex dolls will still exist, of course, but I don't think the stigma surrounding the ownership of one will ever go away. And unless I win the lottery or something, I don't see myself spending money comparable to a used car on one.
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Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
« Reply #59 on: December 21, 2020, 11:41:18 AM »
Sure. But think about a human world where that relationship is not the norm or ideal but a marginal one.

Yeah...but it is not going to happen. Or maybe simply, I can't imgaine it.

If we can erase human memories and in addition to that develop a technology that can download an individual's conscienceness into another copy of their body, in other worlds make death obsolete for everyone, maybe then. Even then you can't stop the illegal action but at least the consequences, effects on a potential victim. But then again, like you said there would be another black market where people pay high amount of some valuable currency to kill people in REAL. (Do you know the series called Altered Carbon? Something like that.)

Nope, not gonna happen. We are animals. That's it and that's all. I can't even believe we have moved this far honestly. Wherever that is.
According to the history of predicting or projecting anything into the future, any and all guesses/predictions will be wrong.  So, who knows how this will all play out.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?