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Christianity and Hatred for People
« on: October 03, 2020, 05:59:43 PM »
Is there a relationship between Christianity and hatred for people? I've read that early on the critics of Christianity accused it of being hatred for humanity. Most apologists would strongly deny such a charge. They tell us that Christ taught love and that all those who would hate in his name are acting against his teachings. To begin to resolve this disagreement, let's take a look at what two Christians from another forum have to say.

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By what the Bible tells, God has decided to give eternal life for righteous and others will die.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but therighteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift ofGod is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

I think that is good, because if unrighteous people would live forever, they would turn the eternal life into eternal suffering for all, which I think would not be nice.

I don’t think death is evil.

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I am sure that those that look at these societies that God destroyed and know they are doing the things that God destroyed these societies do look at these acts in fear, and dread. If they do not look at these societies that God destroyed with fear and dread then the next best thing is blame and denial...

...God knows the future. God knew the eternal destiny of all of those that He put to death before He sentenced them to eternal separation from His goodness. That is what dying without belief in Jesus or in this case God is eternal separation from the goodness of God.

When I read comments like these I tend to feel threatened and degraded. Am I such a worthless wretch that my life can be snuffed out any time at the Christian God's whim, and Christians would just shrug their shoulders saying I got what I deserved? Can my entire community be destroyed if some "guy in the sky" judges it to be disobedient to him?

In any event, I sure don't feel loved.

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2020, 06:07:20 PM »
Ideas, and social sciences lead to competition, which includes fear, hatred and violence.  If Christians are human, then they are violent, same as other groups.  But it is hardly unique.  Even atheists are human, and therefore potentially violent.
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Don't do that.

Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2020, 07:03:41 PM »
Ideas, and social sciences lead to competition, which includes fear, hatred and violence.  If Christians are human, then they are violent, same as other groups.  But it is hardly unique.  Even atheists are human, and therefore potentially violent.

Do atheists all think that all those who disagree with them deserve to be punished? As an atheist I'm free to make my own judgments about people and what should be done to them. I decide when to become violent. I've come to the conclusion that there are no evil groups that must be killed. What Christian can honestly say that?

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2020, 07:11:21 PM »
Do atheists all think that all those who disagree with them deserve to be punished? As an atheist I'm free to make my own judgments about people and what should be done to them. I decide when to become violent. I've come to the conclusion that there are no evil groups that must be killed. What Christian can honestly say that?

You are speaking of theology.  If you want nice theology, then you need Gandhi and MLK, not atheists.  Yes, it is better if you don't demonize others.  That leads to crazy behavior (including Spanish Inquisition).  And of course, be an individual (unless you are in the Army).
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2020, 07:38:55 PM »
According to Psalm 139:7-8, we can't ever be separated from God, since he is everywhere, even in hell.

I wouldn't paint all Christians as haters, but the potential is certainly there to justify hate with biblical scripture. And Jesus said, in the NT, that in order to be his disciple we must hate our whole family. That's not exactly preaching love...
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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2020, 09:36:55 PM »
According to Psalm 139:7-8, we can't ever be separated from God, since he is everywhere, even in hell.

I've thought of God being everywhere. If he is everywhere, then he's in the sky. Christians have told me that when I say so, I'm "straw-manning" their beliefs. They're way too sophisticated to believe in such a silly God. I just wish they were sophisticated enough to know what their Bible says about their God.

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I wouldn't paint all Christians as haters...

Only the ones who know their Bible and take it seriously.

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...but the potential is certainly there to justify hate with biblical scripture.

It's not hard to do.

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And Jesus said, in the NT, that in order to be his disciple we must hate our whole family. That's not exactly preaching love...

Yes, and I need to reiterate that so much of Christian dogma sure doesn't make me feel loved. I'm a good person, but as long as I don't believe what they say, then I'm a hell-bound sinner.

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2020, 10:24:10 PM »
Christian dogma, like the Manichaeism that preceded it (and undoubtedly influenced it) divides the world into light and dark, good and evil, righteous and wicked.  As such, there is inherent antipathy - if not hostility - towards the latter.

Christian apologists generally take one of two approaches:
1) some people are bad and deserve what they get (presumably, their nobel peace prize is in the mail)
2) God loves everyone, so bad people can be somehow rehabilitated (a presumptuous and somewhat condescending approach since the implication is that the orthodox have it all right and everyone else needs to follow their lead.  It also requires a lot of "metaphorical" interpretations of scripture)

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2020, 11:34:12 PM »
The gods are a lot like you and I, only worse ...



Only seeing Christianity in your rear view mirror, is tunnel vision ...
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Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2020, 12:53:48 AM »
The whole idea of the Gospel depends on one assumption: that you deserve to rot in Hell, simply for existing. You are born broken, and only God can fix us. So yes, I would say it is fair to say that Christianity has a direct correlation to hatred for humanity. And that's not even getting into all the groups they hate, on the mere basis of their religious beliefs. Gay people, trans people, people of any other faith than theirs, atheists. They hate all those groups because their existence is a threat to their belief system.

Of course, Christians will try to tell you that their religion is about love. Just like they'll say that living by their standards is "freedom." Or that choosing who goes to Heaven or Hell for all of eternity based solely on belief in the right god is "justice." They have a habit of redefining words to mean the very opposite of what they're supposed to mean.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2020, 02:57:44 AM »
The whole idea of the Gospel depends on one assumption: that you deserve to rot in Hell, simply for existing. You are born broken, and only God can fix us. So yes, I would say it is fair to say that Christianity has a direct correlation to hatred for humanity. And that's not even getting into all the groups they hate, on the mere basis of their religious beliefs. Gay people, trans people, people of any other faith than theirs, atheists. They hate all those groups because their existence is a threat to their belief system.

Of course, Christians will try to tell you that their religion is about love. Just like they'll say that living by their standards is "freedom." Or that choosing who goes to Heaven or Hell for all of eternity based solely on belief in the right god is "justice." They have a habit of redefining words to mean the very opposite of what they're supposed to mean.

I have disgusted Cavebear & Unbeliever precisely by supporting the notion (and my conscience hurts about hurting them) that everyone deserves to die and burn in Hell forever … redemption being wrong).  Your feels are not an argument against that POV.  See 3-Hour Discussion On Metaphysics on Youtube for contrast.  This is why I politically (rhetoric) support Stalin (harder to attack than strawman Hitler) … as Devil's Advocate.

Politically, if you have an enemies list it is justified to murder as an expediency, politics then being revealed as gang warfare.  If I happened to put atheists or gays on that list (I do not) then … but my reason is strictly arbitrary and personal.  Anyone here who is fearful of Christians, as The New Atheists were of Muslims, is justified in their self righteousness to commit murder.

It is that Puritanism manifested as SJW communism, that does put said culture war on my enemies list!
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where reductionism fails to fully explain … this is called a side effect in programming and in some cases is the purpose of a particular instruction,  The spandrel of consciousness, culture, morality etc is what humanism is all about.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2020, 04:13:32 AM by Baruch »
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2020, 08:09:42 AM »
. I've come to the conclusion that there are no evil groups that must be killed.

I’ve long reached the opposite conclusion.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2020, 08:56:24 AM »
I’ve long reached the opposite conclusion.

Which rhetorically makes you baby Hitler =  Reductio Ad Hitlerum
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
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Don't do that.

Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2020, 09:24:28 AM »
Christian dogma, like the Manichaeism that preceded it (and undoubtedly influenced it) divides the world into light and dark, good and evil, righteous and wicked.  As such, there is inherent antipathy - if not hostility - towards the latter.

Yes--that's exactly right, but I've noticed that when Christians are forced to recognize this dogma of theirs, the denials start coming out. "Oh--but that's not what we believe. That's a straw man!"

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...some people are bad and deserve what they get...

Actually, they see everybody as bad or at least born bad. Those who believe them, however, are "imparted righteousness." Any person who rejects this righteousness does so by freely choosing to be punished in hell. Their punishment is then their own fault.

I am NOT making this up.

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God loves everyone, so bad people can be somehow rehabilitated (a presumptuous and somewhat condescending approach since the implication is that the orthodox have it all right and everyone else needs to follow their lead.  It also requires a lot of "metaphorical" interpretations of scripture)

It's one thing to be "holier than thou," but to simply assert it is rather presumptuous. If we judge people based on our dogmas rather than based on what character those people actually have, then we will probably end up judging good people to be bad people. In fact, thanks to Christianity, it happens all the time.

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Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2020, 10:24:00 AM »
Presumption?  Jewish theology is … G-d has arbitrarily chosen us for a unique role, now we have to earn it.  Gentile theology .. in that case we will kill you!  This is pre-Jesus.  Jesus' theology is … G-d arbitrarily choses those who do his will, ancestry doesn't matter.  Both rabbinical and Jesus' theology, life is eternal, even if you make mistakes, you will be redeemed/justified after the fact (jury nullification) if you act in G-d's true spirit.  Egyptian theology is … we have been saying that for 3000 years already … G-d's true spirit means knowing right from wrong, doing what is right and avoiding what is wrong .. in the name of Osiris/Isis.  Non-Egyptians say … eew, Osiris is a zombie, his sister/wife is incest, and she did necrophilia to Osiris' corpse and birthed a posthumous son, Horus.  Apostles' theology is … ok ok .. let the one G-d magically do the deed with a poor woman descended from King David, her son to be the Judean Horus.  Pauline theology is … redeemed not only can be Jewish, but it  is open to any Gentile open to acting in G-d's true spirit, without conversion to Judaism (avoiding circumcision).  Muslim theology is … Arabs are the chosen people etc
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Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ ła’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Re: Christianity and Hatred for People
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2020, 11:01:48 AM »
Jag, if you want an honest answer to what the bible(s) say, then study its history.  You will find that what is called the bible (and there are many, many of them that claim this is the 'one' bible) has been cobbled together from a huge number of sources.  For example, there at least 85 named gospels that did not make it into the current set of writings called 'the bible'.  Most of the 85 no longer exist (that we are aware of) for whoever crafted their version of 'the bible' destroyed the rest of the material.  So, there is no definitive 'bible'.  Go to any christian book store and you can easily see many, many versions of 'the bible'.  Each version reflects the view of whoever published it.  Further, each minister/leader of any christian stripe (and there are literally thousands of them)  teaches using whatever verses that reflect what they want the followers to believe.  Jag, it is about mind control.  So, yes, hatred and fear are hallmarks of all religious leaders.  Love is often used as a cover, but the bottom line is always fear and hate. 

And that is what trump tapped into--he saw that christians are controlled by hate and fear, so he used it and allowed them to fully express that hate and fear openly.  Trump is now a cult figure because he gave the christians permission to hate all they want to.

Using the 'bible' (whichever one you are using) to provide proof for any argument you may put forward proves nothing--except you have been captured by the propoganda.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?