Donald Trump: Its ok to grab women by the pussy if you're a star

[Shiranu]

None of the third parties represent me any better than Clinton, and unlike them she actually stands a chance at beating someone who represents me even less. The American third party candidates are an absolute joke and idiots, and that is coming from someone who liked Johnson in New Mexico.

[PickelledEggs]

I'd love to punch Trump so hard in the dick that his current children develop disfigurements. And that isn't even close to how genetics works

[chill98]

As an atheist and a lover of freedom, among the top issues I care about are church/state separation and abortion rights.

Clinton supports both, as would her Supreme Court appointments...

I am pretty sure they are SCotUS Nominations that have to be approved by the Senate.  sorry for nit-picking but there are plenty of real job appointments that Presidents make that do not require Senate (or congressional) approval.

As a side note, it is complete bullshit the stonewalling the republicans are doing with Obama's nomination.  I don't understand why, with a majority, the republicans fear putting this nomination to a vote.  Suggests to me, there are enough republicans that are not going to play politics and would do their jobs as senators.

There are many other reasons I support Clinton. Her presidency would be a continuation of the advances and successes of the Bill Clinton and Obama presidencies,
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What success's would that be?

International relations requires tact and finesse and intelligence, none of which Trump has, but which Clinton has is spades.

Please provide examples of what you consider evidence of Clintons tact and finesse in international relations. 

Hillary, notwithstanding the reputation that's been foisted upon her by 25 years of Republican lies, is one of the most honest politicians out there (see Politifact).

Don't need politifact to know Hillary is less than honest. 

Trump is a well-documented bigot who is supported enthusiastically by white supremacists. He wants to keep Mexicans, Muslims and other brown people out of the US, which runs 180 degrees counter to the sentiment of the words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty.

One can be a bigot and right at the same time.  Illegal aliens should be held to laws of the land they are in.  We have immigration policies.  I have worked with illegals (and legals) in various jobs I have had.  Only a couple of them were drug dealers...  Nice people for the most part, including the drug dealers.  As with any group of people there will be ones you won't like - a couple of them were just straight up assholes.   But exactly ~zero ~ (of the ones I queried) attempted to enter the USA legally.   Didn't even try to do it legally. 

It is not bigoted to expect people to go through legal immigration. 

I am ok with vetting muslim immigrants with a higher degree of scrutiny.  Islam does not hold american values especially when it comes to various freedoms such as Freedom from religion or Free speech or womens rights (as a couple of conflicting values).

Invoking "the New Colossus" fundraising sonnet while ignoring the immigration laws of the USA at the time the poem was written indicates some 'cherry picking idealism'.

Trump thinks that nuclear weapons are OK to use, and threatened to have Hillary thrown in jail. Only in dictatorships do politicians threaten to jail their opponents.

So does the entire USofA military or we wouldn't have them. Period.

Well, I think a big difference between dictatorships and Trump is having the Attorney General appoint a special prosecutor to investigate....  a part of the debate snippet you neglect to include.

Snipped rest due to time.

[Ro3bert]

A Trump presidency could push America into neofascist, theocratic dictatorship. A Hillary win would preserve and strengthen our republic and the freedoms it guarantees. It could also be an extinction-level event for the Republican Party, and we all know America and the world would be better off without that lying, cheating and thieving gang of thugs exerting power.

That smacks of any 'change is a change for the worst'. I've lived long enough to know you shouldn't believe anything a candidate says.

I have little use for Clinton but now much more for "The Donald".  I am going to vote Trump because I believe he will have little control over Congress.

And BTW that wall he talks about erecting between the US and Mexico; well it's already there from the Texas/New Mexico to the Pacific Coast (If you don't believe it look it on Google Earth) and zoom in to the border between the two countries.

The only place left is the Rio Grand and anyone trying to put a wall down the middle of the Rio Grand will face opposition of gargantuan proportions.

I hate all this snipping at each other rather than debating whatever issues we are facing. The two of them should not give up their (collective) day jobs.

[Nonsensei]

"Donald Trump is a sexual predator"

"Yeah but Clinton changes her position on issues."

[Baruch]

"Donald Trump is a sexual predator"

"Yeah but Clinton changes her position on issues."

Hillary is a cuck, bet she watches when Bill is frisky with the help.  One is a matter of policy, the other a matter of character.  They both fail on both points.

[Baruch]

None of the third parties represent me any better than Clinton, and unlike them she actually stands a chance at beating someone who represents me even less. The American third party candidates are an absolute joke and idiots, and that is coming from someone who liked Johnson in New Mexico.

Then you have to start your own third party (if you don't like any of the above).  Don't settle for someone you dislike least.  Problem is, to start your own third party, you have to make that your own full time job.  That is why democracy worked in Athens (and not here) ... the all adult male electorate were also those who could afford to do politics full time ... because they had slaves to do all their other work.  Want democracy?  Get some slaves!  Ah, but to do politics full time, if you are not rich (like the Clintons before Arkansas) ... you have to first become a full time grifter ... ouch!  Want enough money ... get a sex change and become Trump's next wife ;-))  See it is all about money, having it or not having it.  That trumps policy every time.

[chill98]

Trump is a misogynist who admitted to groping women without consent, leered at a 10-year-old girl and said they'd be dating in a decade, called his own daughter a piece of ass, and is about to go to trail for rape of a minor.

Well beyond the misquote and unsubstantiated accusations, this video brings up some good points:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMzSh4lc35I&feature=youtu.be

And so much more. Ahyone supporting Trump at this point is deranged, and anyone opposing Hillary for most of the reasons they cite ("corruption", Benghazeeeee, "murders", etc.) has been hoodwinked by the Republican smear machine, and only fools believe the lies of Republicans.

This is Hillary Clinton speaking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUBE4YlTXvE

A Trump presidency could push America into neofascist, theocratic dictatorship. A Hillary win would preserve and strengthen our republic and the freedoms it guarantees. It could also be an extinction-level event for the Republican Party, and we all know America and the world would be better off without that lying, cheating and thieving gang of thugs exerting power.

Well that is a bunch of hyperbole!  Here is 30 minutes of fact based evidence you may have this reversed.  The Sanders primary debate clips are outstanding!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtRj6x1jHuU&feature=youtu.be

[Baruch]

She sure looks better with makeup than without!

[FaithIsFilth]

"Donald Trump is a sexual predator"

"Yeah but Clinton changes her position on issues."

Clinton is partly responsible for ruining multiple countries. She is in part responsible for people having their heads cut of or being buried alive. She is in part responsible for hundreds of thousands of people starving to death in these countries. She is responsible for women no longer being able to show their faces, having to be veiled. She is in part responsible for thousands of little girls being sold off into child marriages. Hillary is in part responsible for the rape of thousands of little girls. It may as well be Barack and Hillary raping those little girls day after day.

Hillary acts like she cares about black folks and puts on her blackface and tries to talk like them and make them think she's on their side, but she supported what led to the mass incarceration of black men. To her, black youths are emotionless predators that need to be brought to heel. Before Trump, there was Hillary pushing the idea that Obama was an "other". Very bigoted stuff. People in her campaign were pushing people to investigate whether Obama was born in the United States or not. Hillary's reason for not dropping out in 08? Her black opponent might be assassinated. Yeah.

Trump says he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and not lose any votes? Ok. There's a very good chance that Hillary did have someone gunned down in the middle of the street (one of Assange's sources working for the Clinton campaign). People don't dislike Hillary because she's a woman and too soft or anything like that. They dislike her because she may very well pretty much be a sociopathic mob boss.

Trump is a cunt too though, no doubt. He probably did kiss or grope some people that didn't want it.

[Draconic Aiur]

the green party is the best choice but their not gonna win

[Baruch]

the green party is the best choice but their not gonna win

America has lost every election since 1788.  They keep doing the same failed thing, expecting that it will eventually work.  Doing that is a definition for insanity.  Non-Americans could tell you ... they relate to that.

[trdsf]

the green party is the best choice but their not gonna win

Stein is wandering way too close to the anti-vaxxers for my liking.  She claims to not be anti-vax... and then starts blowing hard on all their dog whistles anyway.

Even so, I would love for the Greens to be represented in government.   And Socialists, and Libertarians, and Teabaggers (oh, wait, they're already there).  Hell, throw in some Monster Raving Loonys and Pirates and Modern Whigs while you're at it.  Because in the long term, government by coalition tends to mean that compromise stops being a dirty word.  If Congress were run on the basis of temporary partnerships getting individual pieces of work done rather than solid walls of opposition... well, we'd probably get more done.

Would it be perfect?  No, but I think it'd be better.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

I know someone is going to say "but he's not the candidate" but this current issue is why Bill Clinton is in the news as a comparison.

Hillary, feminist and role model for women, has given her consent to Bill's behavior.  She does not openly disapprove of Bill's behavior.  And Bill's behavior is very comparable to Trump's behavior which she is currently condemning.

So our choices are a guy who thinks it is acceptable to mistreat women, or a woman who thinks it is acceptable for a guy to mistreat women.

[trdsf]

I know someone is going to say "but he's not the candidate" but this current issue is why Bill Clinton is in the news as a comparison.

Hillary, feminist and role model for women, has given her consent to Bill's behavior.  She does not openly disapprove of Bill's behavior.  And Bill's behavior is very comparable to Trump's behavior which she is currently condemning.

So our choices are a guy who thinks it is acceptable to mistreat women, or a woman who thinks it is acceptable for a guy to mistreat women.

I would point out that there have been, to my knowledge, no further accusations of infidelity against Bill since Monica Lewinski.  So you could just as justifiably call it 'or a woman who could straighten her man out and get him to quit fucking around'.