Senate approves draft for women as well as men

[Baruch]

So Mike ... a draft is OK, as long as we are all reduced to equal poverty like the Socialist countries?  There are lots of things that disproportionately impact the poor ... eating for instance.  Cry me a river.  Tell me that after your estate is reduced to the World average.  No reason not to share with every person in China and India, is there?  They already have your job or will shortly.

[marom1963]

So Mike ... a draft is OK, as long as we are all reduced to equal poverty like the Socialist countries?  There are lots of things that disproportionately impact the poor ... eating for instance.  Cry me a river.  Tell me that after your estate is reduced to the World average.  No reason not to share with every person in China and India, is there?  They already have your job or will shortly.

The whole idea behind doing away w/the draft was doing away w/the type of protests that one saw during the Vietnam era. There would have been no end of protests to the recent wars had there been drafts in place. Instead, given the twisted American psyche, "You made your bed, now lie in it" applies, so the protests were confined to the hardcore left and barely got a notice in the press. The war for profit was alive and healthy ... This business w/Selective Service for women is a sop to feminists. There isn't going to be a draft any time soon. It's another ruse in the game. Rather than give women something meaningful - such as pay parity w/men - we'll give them bullshit, like draft parity for a draft that isn't going to happen. Costs a lot less. Meanwhile, ass-wipe Christie vetoed another bill that would have required pay parity for women in New Jersey. But there wasn't much noise about that, was there? Ah, America - land of the hood ornaments!

[PickelledEggs]

Hey, shit for brains,

Watch it with the insults. Attack ideas, not people. You're the one escalating the situation here.

[marom1963]

Watch it with the insults. Attack ideas, not people. You're the one escalating the situation here.

Well, I can apologize for that. I was annoyed by being called disingenuous in my statement - especially, as noted, I had not had that response to the very same arguments against me earlier on. My statements had been attacked; I had not been offended. I would not have been offended had the "revolting" been left off.

[PickelledEggs]

Thank you

Sent from your mom.

[Mike Cl]

So Mike ... a draft is OK, as long as we are all reduced to equal poverty like the Socialist countries?  There are lots of things that disproportionately impact the poor ... eating for instance.  Cry me a river.  Tell me that after your estate is reduced to the World average.  No reason not to share with every person in China and India, is there?  They already have your job or will shortly.

Actually, I don't think the draft is okay.  I think it is much better than that.  If we all had to give up two years to a universal draft, we may show more interest in what our leaders are doing or not doing.  I don't equate that with socialism.  I guess you do--that's okay.  And if the draft was there to feed our war efforts, then more people would be interested in why and where we go to war.  I have no idea how you can stretch this to India or China.  But then, you tend to have the logic of the theist.

[PickelledEggs]

Isn't practically all of Scandinavia socialist? They are very well off...

I hate to break it to you @Baruch , but the type of system isn't the problem, it's the people managing the system. Some people manage it well, some don't.

@Mike Cl he tends to think like a theist because he is a theist. He's said so many times.

[Mike Cl]

Isn't practically all of Scandinavia socialist? They are very well off...

I hate to break it to you @Baruch , but the type of system isn't the problem, it's the people managing the system. Some people manage it well, some don't.

@Mike Cl he tends to think like a theist because he is a theist. He's said so many times.

Yes, I am very well aware of Baruch's way of thinking.  We go back over a decade of posting on another forum.  I happen to think he is a very intelligent, well read and able to think quite well.  That he is a theist I don't hold against him; he is not anywhere close to the typical theist.  I value his input, even if I don't always agree with his thoughts.  But every now and again, we trade 'barbs' with one another.  Good natured barbs, or course. :))

[PickelledEggs]

Yes, I am very well aware of Baruch's way of thinking.  We go back over a decade of posting on another forum.  I happen to think he is a very intelligent, well read and able to think quite well.  That he is a theist I don't hold against him; he is not anywhere close to the typical theist.  I value his input, even if I don't always agree with his thoughts.  But every now and again, we trade 'barbs' with one another.  Good natured barbs, or course. :))

Yeah I know. I just didn't know if you knew. Didn't realize you knew each other from other sites.

Sent from your mom.

[Jack89]

Opposed to the draft for both men and women.  I was career military with 21 years in the US Army and have seen conscripts from quite a few countries.  I specifically remember how the French and Turks treated their conscripts and was disgusted.  Not only were they treated with little dignity, they were substandard soldiers compared to the regular volunteer troops.

[drunkenshoe]

Opposed to the draft for both men and women.  I was career military with 21 years in the US Army and have seen conscripts from quite a few countries.  I specifically remember how the French and Turks treated their conscripts and was disgusted.  Not only were they treated with little dignity, they were substandard soldiers compared to the regular volunteer troops.

It's abhorrent from every aspect. But pushing only one gender under this bullshit because they are born with a gender is another abhorrent thing altogether.

[stromboli]

From wikipedia.

From 1940 until 1973, during both peacetime and periods of conflict, men were drafted to fill vacancies in the armed forces which could not be filled through voluntary means. The draft was ended when the United States military moved to an all-volunteer military force. However, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency plan; men between the ages of 18 and 25 are required to register so that a draft can be readily resumed if needed.[2]

Ideally there shouldn't be a need for a military, but there is and will be for any foreseeable future. As stated the peacetime draft is a contingency measure. Vietnam is still fresh in some people's memories, and the thought of sending green troops into combat is a very bad idea.

[Baruch]

Isn't practically all of Scandinavia socialist? They are very well off...

I hate to break it to you @Baruch , but the type of system isn't the problem, it's the people managing the system. Some people manage it well, some don't.

@Mike Cl he tends to think like a theist because he is a theist. He's said so many times.

Yes, I know an anti-war guy from the 60s, who went to Sweden.  But Scandinavia isn't constantly at war, now is it?  Sweden won't last much longer with 1 million ME folks in it.  And if you like social justice, make it global ... that is why I mentioned China and India.  Your smartphone was made off the sweat of an exploited Chinese worker ... you capitalist!  Socialism worldwide means a 75% reduction in the US standard of living ... since we take more than our fair share.

[stromboli]

I blame it all on the Renaissance. Its Galileo and his damn ballistics tables. We should be living hand to mouth with a cow in the back yard and fighting our battles face to face with swords and spears, none of this damn shoot em' up. fuck progress anyhow. Women should be in the kitchen shitting out children and men cutting wheat in the field with scythes. Fuck that horse and plow shit. We should all be Neo-Luddites and shun technology, seriously. Progress. Who the fuck needs it?

[widdershins]

From wikipedia.

Ideally there shouldn't be a need for a military, but there is and will be for any foreseeable future. As stated the peacetime draft is a contingency measure. Vietnam is still fresh in some people's memories, and the thought of sending green troops into combat is a very bad idea.

At least until we're smart enough to build our robot overlords, yet still dumb enough to make them able to self-replicate.