Religious people in politics are not religious!

[DunkleSeele]

You said:
"Anti-choice, anti-gay conservatives are like that because of their religious beliefs."

- which implies that their beliefs (religion, Christianity is a religion) makes them anti-gay and conservative.

Do you fucking realise that I wasn't talking about Christianity only?
Do you fucking realise that there isn't just one flavour of Christianity?
Do you fucking realise that, even inside the same branch or cult, different people have different views on specific topics?
Do you fucking realise that you're using again the same strawmen and other assorted fallacies you've been using throughout your whole posting history here on this forum, which have been pointed out to you a zillion times by so many members?

Hear me out:
Someone who's born into a strict religious environment will develop strict views on certain topics. If this person then chooses to enter politics, his/her political agenda will push exactly those views. It's not the other way round. Capisce?

Your attempts at absolving religion from its horrors are, frankly speaking, pathetic.

[Solitary]

In Denmark, and I believe Scandinavia in general to follow this "rule", it is more common for gays, liberals and women to be Right Wing Conservatives.
Males are still represented slightly to the right, but they don't choose the Conservative party, rather, they choose the Libertarian-Democratic Party (Venstre, which is more social-democratic, but with some slight centre-right economic and social policies).

In-fact, a very large portion, if not the majority, of believing Christians over here, are generally leftist on Economic and Social issues (such as though being anti-abortion, they are also anti-death penalty and pro-rehabilitiating and hold other leftist views).

Since when is anti-abortion a leftist view? You are still making the same fallacy. And anti-death penalty is still based on the Christian (rightest) view that life is sacred, as is pro-reabilitation. Christianity is a right wing view, is it not? It sure as heck isn't a liberal view. 

[mediumaevum]

Leaving aside that Denmark's conservatives are actually quite liberal by American standards, the fact that all Christians are not anti-gay is beside the point. The ones who are justify it using their religion. Therefore, they are anti-gay because of Christianity, regardless of what other Christians' opinions may be on the matter.

And that is where I disagree. You see, America is quite religious, right? I'm saying that regardless of religiousity, the majority of people will be anti-gay. Not because of politics. Not because of religion.
But because they feel somewhat disgusted by it.

In America, Conservatives hold about 50 % of the voters. In Denmark, Conservatives are down to what... 3-5 %...
The other party, a Danish answer to the Tea Party Movement, Liberal Alliance Party, also gets about the same percentage.

I think that the voters are more concerned about economics and other actual political stuff, and so are they in the U.S. But because in the U.S. they are religious, they debate this using their religion.
Abolish religion, and I'd bet with you that America will have unaffected political status. If any changes happens, it is not because religion disappeared. It is because of their political opinions, which have nothing to do with religion AT ALL.

Religion simply is just a large part of American life, that everything needs to go through that unneccessary filter that Religion is. But it won't change the outcome.

[SGOS]

I knew a guy who ran for county commissioner on the Democratic ticket, because in that small union town, Democrats were a majority.  I knew this guy was an ultra religious conservative, but he got elected as a Democrat.  Then the lumber mill (the town's main employer) closed, and the guys at the mill had to leave town.  An abrupt demographic change occurred and the town suddenly had a majority of Republicans.  Sure enough, the guy I'm talking about switched parties.

Well, this pissed off the Democrats, who had supported him because he was a Democrat (rather than because of any personal convictions he may have had), and he actually lost the next election even with a large Republican majority in the town.  Of course, it didn't help that he also became under investigation for bilking the county out of funds to pay for personal non-job related expenses.  Granted, the bilking was very petty fraud, nickel dime stuff really, but not only did he violate the law, the very act of such petty defrauding suggested kind of a dim witted behavior on the order of stealing candy from babies.

Moral of the story:  I dunno.  Is there a moral?  Politicians are two faced?  You can't believe a thing they say, and they all claim to love God and country, self serving liars that they are.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

I think we live in different cultures. America isn't the entire world.
Scandinavia is quite different from where you live.

I'd say, compared to U.S., Scandinavian politics & religion is turned upside down.

Apparently you're not an adherent to the Sarah Palin world view that she can see Russia from her house..

[mediumaevum]

Do you fucking realise that I wasn't talking about Christianity only?

I know.

Do you fucking realise that there isn't just one flavour of Christianity?

I know.

Do you fucking realise that, even inside the same branch or cult, different people have different views on specific topics?

Yes.

Hear me out:
Someone who's born into a strict religious environment will develop strict views on certain topics. If this person then chooses to enter politics, his/her political agenda will push exactly those views. It's not the other way round. Capisce?

I disagree. Because: Religion is like upbringing. And I believe that upbringing have little to no effect on an independent adult's life and political opinions.
I know that, because when I was 5 years old, I began interest in politics. My family was leftist. I got rightist (on economic issues, on pro-death penalty and stuff like that).
Then I got into a school filled with lefists, and I only got even more radical rightist.

Then I got into a right-wing environment. And became leftist on economic and social issues.

You can't tell an individual what to think and expect them to think that way. It just doesnt' work like that.

[Mike Cl]

And that is where I disagree. You see, America is quite religious, right? I'm saying that regardless of religiousity, the majority of people will be anti-gay. Not because of politics. Not because of religion.
But because they feel somewhat disgusted by it.

Totally disagree.  It is because of religion that they feel disgusted by gay people.  Who invented the term, 'the gay lifestyle'?  Religious people.  Every time I have run across an anti-gay person and we have had a discussion, it always centers around their brand of religion.  Gays are the same as us except in bed.  Since I have no desire to get into bed with somebody of my own sex, and don't try to, I am not in the least bit disgusted.  I prefer red heads, some like blondes, well, I could go on forever about likes and dislikes.  Homosexuality has been with humankind from the beginning and will be until the end.  It is biology, pure and simple.  So, from you point of view, God made them that way.

[Hydra009]

And that is where I disagree. You see, America is quite religious, right? I'm saying that regardless of religiousity, the majority of people will be anti-gay. Not because of politics. Not because of religion.
But because they feel somewhat disgusted by it.

This is factually incorrect.

Religion is like upbringing. And I believe that upbringing have little to no effect on an independent adult's life and political opinions.

This is a very dubious and almost certainly false claim.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

And that is where I disagree. You see, America is quite religious, right? I'm saying that regardless of religiousity, the majority of people will be anti-gay. Not because of politics. Not because of religion.
But because they feel somewhat disgusted by it.

Which they do because of their religion. Regardless of how other Christians feel, if your reason for being disgusted by homosexuals has anything to do with your religion, then you feel disgusted because of your religion. Period. End of story.

[Jason78]

I have always thought that the religious people who enter politics, are either not religious, or are not using their religion as their political motives/opinions.

It usually depends on where you are.   Here in the UK most politicians tend to hide their religion or at least try not to make a big deal out of it.

[Jason78]

Granted, the bilking was very petty fraud, nickel dime stuff really, but not only did he violate the law, the very act of such petty defrauding suggested kind of a dim witted behavior on the order of stealing candy from babies.

The amount doesn't matter.   What does matter is the abuse of a public office for personal gain.

[SGOS]

I forgot to add that one of the things he was doing to pad his personal account was to pay for his Sunday drive to church by claiming he was checking roadside dumpsters.  Apparently, the county should refrain from worrying about suspicious billing by elected officials, especially if he was on his way to church.  Clearly, this is not about defrauding the county, or the fact that the county already pays employees to service and manage dumpster locations.  It's taxpayer discrimination against Christians.  LOL

[Akumathon]

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[Solitary]

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