Guns in America: Obama Town Hall

[josephpalazzo]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/07/politics/obama-executive-action-gun-control-town-hall/index.html

[josephpalazzo]

Interesting poll:

Support for the measures crosses party lines, with 67% of those asked saying they favor the changes. Some 85% of Democrats, 65% of independents and 51% of Republicans support the President's moves.

But 57% of those polled also said that the measures would not be effective in reducing the number of people killed by guns. And 54% of people, including 79% of Republicans, disapprove of Obama's decision to go around Congress and implement changes to gun policy by using executive power.

[PopeyesPappy]

Interesting poll:

No I don't expect these measures to result in a statistically significant change in the number of gun homicides. That doesn't mean they aren't a good idea.

I am however still waiting for someone to explain how Obama is going around congress. Congress set the requirements on who is required to obtain an FFL as someone who intends to engage in the business of selling guns. It's always been the AFT that has defined what that means. They do that in CFR Title 27 Chapter II Subchapter B Part 478 Subpart D. If the AFT wants to change the CFR all they have to do by law is post the proposed changes for comment. The AFT works for the president not congress.

[Baruch]

The President implements the law established by Congress.  The President's signature on the bill, is his agreement that he will do so.  "Signing statements" however have gotten way out of hand.  This couldn't be a the result of a prior "signing statement" right?  That is just the way the law is written?  Typical of Congress to give the Executive Branch enough rope to hang itself with, and the President to put his head in the noose provided.

Given that ... then if Congress doesn't like it, they can change the enabling law, if necessary over the President's veto.  But then the worthless bastards would have to work for a living ... something the millionaires in the Senate have no intention of doing.  For example it is possible, in principle, for Congress to modify or overturn the ACA.  Yet they don't, it is all kabuki.

I know of no actual gun owners who plan on obeying anything this President does.  Regular gun shops do need better support to do the existing law, with the Feds.  Nothing wrong with that.  Private sellers will disobey, and smile while they do it.  Breaking guns.

[josephpalazzo]

I don't know what "executive orders" really entail. It can't be new laws as that is strictly speaking the role of the Houses. All he can do is tighten the laws already in the books, make them more efficient, make sure they are actually applied, but what else?

[PopeyesPappy]

Regulatory agencies such as the ATF have been given rather broad authority in their specific areas by congress. These are all published in the Code of Federal Regulations.

[Baruch]

It would be part of Obama's MO to turn the whole US into a Waco shootout ... but so far that isn't happening in Oregon.

[josephpalazzo]

Regulatory agencies such as the ATF have been given rather broad authority in their specific areas by congress. These are all published in the Code of Federal Regulations.

Fine, but what would Obama's townhall talk do that would be different without enacting new laws?