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Title: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 07, 2021, 01:57:58 AM
The obvious aim of the left since ~2012 has been to push for a civil war. Burn Loot Murder Black Lives Matter, Antifa, legislation to take kids from parents who don't want to castrate them, there's only one way this can end. So how would things turn out? On the one hand, the Democrats would be far more capable of turning out a concentrated force, due to them being concentrated in cities. On the other hand, the Republicans own all the food production and all the guns. Also, in the event of a mass power outage, cities would become deathtraps with (more) rampant crime and murder taking place with no clear hierarchy or order, blunting their ability to form a meaningful fighting force.

I personally think this would be a wash in favor of the (R)'s. What do you think?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 07:35:46 AM
That all would require people to get up off their asses. We're too comfortable, even in the age of Covid, to do that.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Cassia on June 07, 2021, 08:33:42 AM
Yeah, because overweight southern xtian racists with AR-15s are such strategic thinkers. They already lost the war Einstein, fighting for the right to own black people. But back then they were in shape and could leave the air conditioning for a few hours, LOL. Nobody is scared of assholes carrying torches and wearing robes. Because they are idiots.

These people are the ones who are scared. Scared of science, technology, Mexicans, blacks, atheists, youth, vaccines, Satan and of change. In fact these wussies cower behind their guns and all that ever happens is they shoot themselves or their kids by accident,
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: trdsf on June 07, 2021, 10:15:40 AM
I personally think this would be a wash in favor of the (R)'s. What do you think?
I think you're a thundering idiot and not worth reading.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Blackleaf on June 07, 2021, 12:32:09 PM
Why am I not surprised this Conservative dipshit is fantasizing getting a second shot at Civil War? Don't worry, arch warmonger. I'm sure you'll have better luck the second time.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 01:03:47 PM
Why am I not surprised this Conservative dipshit is fantasizing getting a second shot at Civil War? Don't worry, arch warmonger. I'm sure you'll have better luck the second time.
Shows what some people think of democracy, don't it.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 07, 2021, 03:03:26 PM
There already is a civil war going on, it's just that for now, only one side is fighting it.  (https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/more-than-two-dozen-antifa-rioters-charged-for-portland-mayhem/)
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 07, 2021, 03:29:40 PM
As a non-american, nor a republican or a Democrat, in my view it's not the left that is pushing for a civil war.

For fuck's sake, January 6 was the most civil warish thing you lot had since the Civil War. Confederate flags and all.

And those calling out the loudest for it are nut jobs dressed like vikings, out of shape middle aged guys who think that carrying a rifle and wearing a Hawaiian shirt makes them soldiers and whiny bitches that cry in disbelief that someone had the audacity to mace them as they stormed the capital to overthrow the government in honor of their revolution.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 06:26:44 PM
There already is a civil war going on, it's just that for now, only one side is fighting it.  (https://nypost.com/2021/06/06/more-than-two-dozen-antifa-rioters-charged-for-portland-mayhem/)
You mean "hissy fit". They'd shit themselves if a real fight started.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 06:28:30 PM
As a non-american, nor a republican or a Democrat, in my view it's not the left that is pushing for a civil war.

For fuck's sake, January 6 was the most civil warish thing you lot had since the Civil War. Confederate flags and all.

And those calling out the loudest for it are nut jobs dressed like vikings, out of shape middle aged guys who think that carrying a rifle and wearing a Hawaiian shirt makes them soldiers and whiny bitches that cry in disbelief that someone had the audacity to mace them as they stormed the capital to overthrow the government in honor of their revolution.
And that was the pick of the litter. Picture the ones that didn't have the balls to try and start an open war. (Of course later on they will say "You should have been there!")
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Blackleaf on June 07, 2021, 06:43:19 PM
It's funny how the people who pride themselves on their "patriotism" constantly talk about starting a Civil War. You celebrate the Confederacy (who, may I remind you, were the enemies of the United States), even defending keeping statues glorifying its leaders on government property. All the while, you wait for your chance to start Confederacy 2.0, but you totally love this country, right? It's the people kneeling during the National Anthem that want to destroy America. lol
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 06:51:22 PM
It's funny how the people who pride themselves on their "patriotism" constantly talk about starting a Civil War. You celebrate the Confederacy (who, may I remind you, were the enemies of the United States), even defending keeping statues glorifying its leaders on government property. All the while, you wait for your chance to start Confederacy 2.0, but you totally love this country, right? It's the people kneeling during the National Anthem that want to destroy America. lol
They rationalize everything.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 07, 2021, 06:51:35 PM
Watched bits and pieces of D-Day movies yesterday.  A thought crossed my mind while watching a scene of the US landing on Normandy.  To a person, they would be appalled at where this country is right now.  They were, to a person, antifa!  They hated Nazi's and all they stood for---yet, 75 years later, this country seemingly is fighting to become what we fought against.   
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 07, 2021, 07:56:04 PM
I doubt it will get that bad. The current crop of fascists aren't too bright.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Blackleaf on June 07, 2021, 08:28:44 PM
Watched bits and pieces of D-Day movies yesterday.  A thought crossed my mind while watching a scene of the US landing on Normandy.  To a person, they would be appalled at where this country is right now.  They were, to a person, antifa!  They hated Nazi's and all they stood for---yet, 75 years later, this country seemingly is fighting to become what we fought against.

The seeds of fascism and even eugenics were already in America before World War II. But Hitler kinda made it uncool to like those things, and when we went to war with him, they used religion as the alternative...for some reason. More god equals less fascism, supposedly. Given that fascists and Neo Nazis are pretty much all Christian extremists, I think it's safe to say that theory was bunk.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: trdsf on June 07, 2021, 09:21:30 PM
They rationalize everything.
I don't think 'rational' is quite the right word to use.  How about "They make up some bullshit and promptly believe it"?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: SGOS on June 08, 2021, 07:43:40 AM
As a non-american, nor a republican or a Democrat, in my view it's not the left that is pushing for a civil war.
Warmonger is just pushing this view to make the right wing's plans to overthrow democracy sound like they are not the idea of the lunatic fringe. It's also possible that he is projecting.  Or he could be a member of Q anon, or a Russian bot. His nickname is a clue to his purpose here.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 08, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
I don't think 'rational' is quite the right word to use.  How about "They make up some bullshit and promptly believe it"?
"You use them big words just to piss us off, don't ya."
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 08, 2021, 08:43:31 AM
Warmonger is just pushing this view to make the right wing's plans to overthrow democracy sound like they are not the idea of the lunatic fringe. It's also possible that he is projecting.  Or he could be a member of Q anon, or a Russian bot. His nickname is a clue to his purpose here.
Or just a troll.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 08, 2021, 09:41:51 PM
This is Kyle Rittenhouse. He went to the Kenosha riot without the intention to massacre rioters or even to enforce any kind of law, and yet he managed to kill 2 people and severely injure a third, in each instance in reaction to somebody else's attack. If he had gone in with the intention to just kill people he probably would have dispersed the riot by himself.

(https://www.nydailynews.com/resizer/riutiPdBAHaa03Hme47519Oc_tY=/1200x772/top/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/tronc/KWRJYJAXCNCXRBQBJN5ET6DQOM.jpg)

He's not some crazy ex-Navy Seal. He's not some crazy who lives in a shack in the woods training all day. He's a kid who paints fences for fun.

(https://img.particlenews.com/img/id/2o4SZC_0XUWZ1xB00?type=thumbnail_1024x576)

You're going up against a group of people who own more guns than the rest of the world combined, who have night vision and thermal up the ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B42SlwfMhr0

This guy gets it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VqG_4ADFfQ

Do you feel lucky, punk?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Sorginak on June 08, 2021, 10:09:17 PM
More evidence of white privilege right there.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 08, 2021, 10:10:01 PM
More evidence of white privilege right there.
and white stupidity and arrogance.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Shiranu on June 08, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
I love that right-wingers really think leftists don't own guns.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 12:41:25 AM
Right, and how many left-wing militants and sympathizers in any given city? Like a few hundred to a few thousand? How much do you train? How many guns do you own? Vs Cletus and all his friends owning 5 AR's and a stack of bullets that doubles in size every time there's a whiff of new gun control legislation playing with guns day in day out on their private land. And oh all those black and brown gangs who hate whitey, you think they'll follow you? Or do you think maybe they'll just loot and pillage randomly without giving a shit about what the white left says except to hunt down and beat the shit out of LGBTards the way they do now in places with low police presence? Who exactly do you think are killing all those BLACK TRANS WOMEN

And how well do you think leftists would maintain control if the cities were to go to them? Look at CHAZ, it had a murder rate PER WEEK of like 2 per 100. And that's with a steady supply of food and donations from outside with people being able to come and go whenever they want, a small area that should have been manageable, and the threat of a police crackdown looming in the background. If CHAZ was a preview of things to come then holy fucking shit this will be hilarious. They don't even have to kill you, you'll kill each other.

tl;dr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw90Yrhl5Nk
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2021, 01:11:50 AM

You're going up against a group of people who own more guns than the rest of the world combined, who have night vision and thermal up the ass.


So long as they still have to share those seven braincells amongst the lot of them, however, I'm sure my friends from across the ocean will be fine.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 01:18:14 AM
Yeah I'm sure your intersectionality magic will solve all your problems. I'm sure it'll beat bullets and buckshot.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Blackleaf on June 09, 2021, 01:41:52 AM
You're going up against a group of people

Excuse me. We're not going up against anybody. You're the one's trying to pick a fight. Luckily for us, you're too stupid to find your way out of paper bag. You dumbasses tried to start a revolution this year. Did law enforcement take your side? Nope. Did the military step in and help you? Nope. Yet you've convinced yourself that they'll be in your corner when this imaginary Civil War comes. I wish Trump would have tried to stay in the White House. Then we would have had the pleasure of seeing him forcefully removed by the military, and any hopes you had of a revolution completely squashed. You're completely delusional.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 01:47:14 AM
So you admit it, you need the cops and the military to be unified, organized, and on your side. You're utterly dependent on them.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Blackleaf on June 09, 2021, 01:50:34 AM
So you admit it, you need the cops and the military to be unified, organized, and on your side. You're utterly dependent on them.

Having an army does help when you're fighting a war, yes. And you're living in a fantasy world if you think they're going to betray their country to help you. Go ahead and try it. It'll be the shortest war in American history.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 01:55:05 AM
1. I doubt the left would ever be organized enough to keep cities from descending into massive looting and anarchy, or even stay alive longer than a few months. The military won't fight for that. If anything, YOU will be profiled as being the enemy.
2. LOTS of people will gladly betray their government, or at least refuse to do their jobs, if they think it's collapsing. The US isn't special in this respect. See: The collapse of the Soviet Union, Francisco Franco's forces fighting against the Spanish Republic.

Although I do agree that there won't be a civil war unless there's some kind of wider social breakdown or a terrible political crisis.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Cassia on June 09, 2021, 07:39:05 AM
Archie boy's hero Kyle Rittenhouse won't be such a tough guy when his chubby lil ass is getting prison raped Tuesdays and Saturdays. We have a good assortment out here in the swamp...from 8mm Mauser down to a 0.223 and 0.22. We usually do a Democratic vote on practice shoot days.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 10:01:49 AM
Again, I wish you luck.

(https://kiwifarms.cc/media/7219add91619276339db897ae1445c650c973413977eff4237cd73d1eed69791.png)
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Cassia on June 09, 2021, 10:26:31 AM
Right Archie. Thanks for the infantile graphics. It's the losers and racists who want war. That is your best plan to improve your shitty lives. Great imagination, what intellect. Best you can do. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 10:56:32 AM
Right, Cassia. Thanks for the infantile Mean Girls bullshit. It's the soyboys and grown men larping as teenage girls who want to turn everything into a petty insult fight. That is your best plan to win an argument. Great imagination, what intellect. Best you can do. Good luck with that.

But it's interesting to see your change of tack. You use your anecdote of left-wing gun nuts, I counter with pretty irrefutable statistics, and now you switch tactics and say "Well violence is for losers nurrrr" after it's become obvious that you will lose, easy. Typical left-wing deceptiveness, the weapon of the weak and cornered.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2021, 11:53:19 AM
Right, arch, you seem to think that your white nationalist message is going to impress or sway people on this site; you must be feeble minded at best.  But then you seem to love the fascists' point of view.  As for any 'argument' you think you have used, that is just another demonstration of your warped and disgusting imagination.  You argue nothing but hate. 
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 12:08:54 PM
And here I was thinking that confusing morality with reality was a peculiarly Christian malady. I'm not here to argue morality, at least not in this thread. This is purely about trying to figure out what may happen if xyz goes down.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2021, 02:26:30 PM
And here I was thinking that confusing morality with reality was a peculiarly Christian malady. I'm not here to argue morality, at least not in this thread. This is purely about trying to figure out what may happen if xyz goes down.
As you simply spew white nationalist crap, nothing you say relates to what could/will happen.  If I want to read alternative history I'll read Turtledove, who writes rings around you.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 02:29:41 PM
Okay so what do you think a civil war would turn out like. Keep your feelings out of it, snowflake.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2021, 02:41:58 PM
Okay so what do you think a civil war would turn out like. Keep your feelings out of it, snowflake.
You forgot the 'liberal' part of liberal snowflake.  Oh yeah, antifa supporter, too.  But you are simply too fucking stupid to understand what the actual ramifications of a real civil war would be like.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 03:00:43 PM
I'm pretty sure I do. Lots of people dead, infrastructure shut down, no food going to cities, rioting and looting in the cities. What else would you like to add, snowflake?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2021, 04:00:38 PM
I counter with pretty irrefutable statistics

Truly?

You live in a country with more guns than people.
I agree that republican households are gonna, on average, be more likely to have guns in their households than democrats. I also agree that extreme right-wing nut jobs are gonna be more likely to have guns in their households than their more moderate contemporaries.
But the first fact, in combination with this, ought to tip you off to an important other truth. Namely these groups are also more likely to have a lot more guns. And what use is that? Having seven hunting rifles, 4 ancient shotguns and a closet full of machine-gun. What use is that if you are one man to operate them? You can operate two guns simultaneously at most, and you are still only one body that can be taken out.
The right might have more guns. It is true. But make no mistake, for here is another 'irrefutable statistic', the republican party is a minority party that has only managed to cling to relevancy by exploiting an inherently broken electoral system and gerrymandering. And their members are averagely older. Relatively speaking more of their, remember fewer in total, members are near 60 or over. Relatively more are 70 or over. Hardly the stuff of armies of legend you are advocating. Those red vs blue maps always eye impressive, but you need remember how many people actually live where.
Now, a deranged gramps clutching a double-barrel shotgun could surely blow my head clean off. But I don't see him running tactics and hiding in self-dug trenches  taking on a tank with that gun and his meagre bones.
Which is another point. How many armored vehicles does your dream-army have ? How many attack-helicopters? Freighters? Jets? Unmanned drones capable of striking from clear skies? How many bombs? How much napalm? How many bomb-diffusal squads? How many trained paramedics? How many wisened generals? How many trained soldiers at all?
You have guns. That is it. You have no significant other means. Nor the infrastructure, the insight and the training. You have a bunch of militias. Their numbers not even close to the total amount of the minority party that encompasses them. And when the bullets start flying, not even all of them will actually be brave enough to answer the call. There is a reason why you don't often hear of 'a good guy with a gun' stopping 'the bad guy with a gun': being in a gunfight is fucking terrifying, man. So you have a part of a part of a minority party that would try to take on what is still arguably the strongest military in the world. And you are a fool to think if the military would align itself with those fringe lunatics over the government.
You wish these people luck,? Might I quote the king beyond the wall, for no; *I* wish you good fortune in the wars to come.

And all that said, it is a ridiculous idea to think a civil war could even 'properly' come to pass, even in the current tough political climate of the U.S. I could say why I feel so, but I've already spent a lot of words on this so far. And you seem to agree on that to some degree at least, even if perhaps for different reasons (I don't know). So I'll leave it at that.

Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: arch warmonger on June 09, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
You seem so certain the military will have your back. Why?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Hydra009 on June 09, 2021, 04:16:22 PM
Lots of people dead, infrastructure shut down, no food going to cities, rioting and looting in the cities.
Exactly the sorts of conditions your backsliding ideology both thrives on and seeks to create.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mr.Obvious on June 09, 2021, 04:17:07 PM
You seem so certain the military will have your back. Why?

Not my back. I'm belgian.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Cassia on June 09, 2021, 04:54:46 PM
Exactly the sorts of conditions your backsliding ideology both thrives on and seeks to create.
How does this work? Beer-guts making 'merica great again by cruzing the burbs in their '98 Buicks shooting black people and Chinese and asking white people who they voted for so they can have a war all because Archie so horny.. Moron, LOL.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Shiranu on June 09, 2021, 04:57:04 PM
Is anyone still having fun with the idiot, or should I pull the trigger and put him out of his misery?
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Mike Cl on June 09, 2021, 06:10:10 PM
Is anyone still having fun with the idiot, or should I pull the trigger and put him out of his misery?
Pull the trigger sounds good.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: trdsf on June 09, 2021, 06:44:46 PM
You forgot the 'liberal' part of liberal snowflake.  Oh yeah, antifa supporter, too.  But you are simply too fucking stupid to understand what the actual ramifications of a real civil war would be like.
Awww, but you're raining on his masturbatorial revenge fantasies!

I bet it would be a race whether he'd piss himself first or shit himself first if actual fighting broke out around him.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 10, 2021, 05:28:56 PM

Do you feel lucky, punk?
LOL. IMDB wants their quotes back.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: aitm on June 10, 2021, 06:09:13 PM
People die, people cry then just when one side is about to claim victory the Chinese swoop in and we spend the rest of our lives rewriting our history to show Wong Lee discovered America in 1320 and we have oodles of kitten farms for stir fry….alas then we bemoan the lost of our favorite snowflakes who at least would have fought alongside us and spared us from so called General Tao “chicken”.
Title: Re: How would US Civil War 2.0 go?
Post by: Gawdzilla Sama on June 11, 2021, 07:37:39 AM
People die, people cry then just when one side is about to claim victory the Chinese swoop in and we spend the rest of our lives rewriting our history to show Wong Lee discovered America in 1320 and we have oodles of kitten farms for stir fry….alas then we bemoan the lost of our favorite snowflakes who at least would have fought alongside us and spared us from so called General Tao “chicken”.
The 1320 "discovery" has been Wong Lee reported for centuries.