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Title: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 10, 2021, 06:32:21 PM
Just a few days after the U.N. loosely called Israel's eviction of Palestinians a potential war crime and a week or two after the Israeli police beat Christians attempting to attend the Church of the Holy Sepulchure... they decided fuck it, lets ramp up the violence even more.
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At least 20 Palestinians have been killed in Israeli air raids (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/10/palestinians-20-killed-in-fighting-including-9-children) on the besieged Gaza Strip, according to the Palestinian health ministry, after Hamas launched rockets from the coastal territory towards Israel. The Gaza health ministry told Al Jazeera on Monday that 20 people, including children, had been killed in the attacks.
The attacks were carried out after Hamas fired several rockets at Israel, following the expiration of the group’s ultimatum demanding Israel stand down forces from the Al Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem.
Earlier on Monday tensions at the compound, the third holiest in Islam which is also revered by Jews, escalated with more than 300 Palestinians wounded when Israeli police stormed the mosque, firing rubber bullets, stun grenades and tear gas.




For context of this most recent escalation, Muslim attendants of the Al Aqsa were in the middle of prayer when Israeli police burst in and began firing tear gas and rubber bullets inside the mosque. Palestinians than began to swarm to the mosque because there was a schedule parade of ultra-nationalist Jews scheduled for today.

In response, the Israeli government suppressed these protesters (at their own mosque) and injured over 200, with 60-some in critical condition... and then in retaliation to a Hamas attack that injured zero decided to bomb the Gaza Strip and killed at least 20, with 9 of them being children.
The Palestinian's had good reason to fear this ultra-nationalist parade as well, because this was the Zionist response to a tree being set on fire outside the holy mosque (imagine if Muslims were out on the street celebrating like this when Notre Dame was on fire to get some perspective)...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLs6R4VG-Bg

The Israelis are attacking everyone now; Muslim, Christian, doesn't matter, and when you listen to the Ultra-Orthodox, Zionists... they truly believe they are "God's people", and when they say that they full mean that they are ethnically superior to everyone... and until the rest of the world calls them the racist pieces of shit they are they are just going to continue to escalate this violence.

But hey, we send $3.8 billion to them each year, so they have to be the good guys...
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 11, 2021, 02:27:38 AM
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The Israelis are attacking everyone now; Muslim, Christian, doesn't matter, and when you listen to the Ultra-Orthodox, Zionists... they truly believe they are "God's people", and when they say that they full mean that they are ethnically superior to everyone... and until the rest of the world calls them the racist pieces of shit they are they are just going to continue to escalate this violence.

Nobody's going to call them racist, the ADL decides what's racist. If you object to that you're anti-semitic.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 11, 2021, 08:23:32 PM
Possible use of white phosphorus by the Israelis, of course on civilian targets.

https://twitter.com/Farah_Gazan/status/1392258518544261120
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 12, 2021, 01:06:48 PM
Still no condemnation of Israeli war crimes by the President, however a representative of the U.S. government did condemn Hamas's actions and declared Israel had every right to defend themselves.

Of course, when asked by multiple reporters if the Palestinians also had a right to self-defense... he just couldn't bring himself to agree with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utKFxfmTIW8
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 15, 2021, 03:08:17 PM
The Israelis are attacking everyone now; Muslim, Christian, doesn't matter, and when you listen to the Ultra-Orthodox, Zionists... they truly believe they are "God's people", and when they say that they full mean that they are ethnically superior to everyone... and until the rest of the world calls them the racist pieces of shit they are they are just going to continue to escalate this violence.
Ethnically superior, eh? Sounds familiar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 15, 2021, 03:17:00 PM
Israel airstrikes building used by the press (https://www.npr.org/2021/05/15/997148399/israeli-airstrike-flattens-building-home-to-ap-and-other-media-in-gaza-city)

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"We are shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP's bureau and other news organizations in Gaza," he said. "They have long known the location of our bureau and knew journalists were there.

"We narrowly avoided a terrible loss of life. A dozen AP journalists and freelancers were inside the building and thankfully we were able to evacuate them in time."
Surely, there were terrorists in the area and targeting journalists was just a regrettable oversight.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 16, 2021, 12:25:50 AM
Ethnically superior, eh? Sounds familiar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

I know, I know... Goodwin's law, hyperbole, etc. etc. ... but without irony, they really are getting just a little uncomfortably close to Nazi territory  in their beliefs and it's just like... how of all people in the world are YOU the one's talking like this?

Forced sterilization of Africans coming into Israel, the whole "we are God's chosen people" (Gott Mit Uns!), forcing a minority you dislike into a walled ghetto (Gaza is the 13th most densely populated state in the world), to comments like this...


(Spoiled for size, if anyone knows a way to scale down images that would be lovely...)
Sorry but you are not allowed to view spoiler contents.

Like... that's legit just Nazi talk, and that is the people running their country.

How, as a Jew, can you say something like that and not just have this moment to yourself?
(https://themajority.scot/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Are-We-The-Baddies.jpg)
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 16, 2021, 12:31:24 AM
Israel airstrikes building used by the press (https://www.npr.org/2021/05/15/997148399/israeli-airstrike-flattens-building-home-to-ap-and-other-media-in-gaza-city)
Surely, there were terrorists in the area and targeting journalists was just a regrettable oversight.

Every time they bomb civilians, they keep on saying, "It was Hamas's headquarters!"...

That refugee camp? Hamas HQ. That hospital? Hamas rocket facility. Journalists? Hamas commanders! That tree? Hamas spy.

How can people seriously believe this shit anymore?

And on that note...

(https://i.ibb.co/nb7r7hz/yyyy.png)

After a week of staying silent on their war crimes, the White House reaffirms that Israel are the real victims here, as they drop US made bombs on children and journalists and commit war crimes with American taxpayer money.

This dude legitimately ran on the platform of being the "moral" choice. I despise every second I actually bought that bullshit.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 16, 2021, 12:43:04 AM
Israel says Hamas was in the building, AP says no (https://www.businessinsider.com/ap-contradicts-israel-says-no-indication-hamas-used-gaza-building-2021-5)

A couple of interesting tidbits:
1) Israel gave advance warning of the strike, ordering journalists to evacuate before Israel bombed their offices
2) No Hamas personnel were part of the evacuation and afaik, no one died inside the building (did Hamas teleport out?)

This gives me grave misgivings about Israel's ability to tell the truth, tolerate a free press, and will surely make me skeptical in the future when another civilian building is bombed by Israel allegedly for justifiable reasons (but perhaps not)
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Cassia on May 16, 2021, 06:05:13 PM
Christians can't seem to make up their minds about Israel and Jews in general. Sometimes they support feverish Zionism and other times they are gassing them or burning their synagogues.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 12:52:53 AM
"Progressives" can't seem to make up their minds about Israel and the Jews in general. Sometimes they support "inclusivity" programs developed and funded by the Jews and other times they're pushing for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 17, 2021, 01:01:10 AM
"Progressives" can't seem to make up their minds about Israel and the Jews in general. Sometimes they support "inclusivity" programs developed and funded by the Jews and other times they're pushing for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country.
That sort of statement tells me much less about progressives' political leanings than your political leanings.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 17, 2021, 02:13:47 AM
"Progressives" can't seem to make up their minds about Israel and the Jews in general. Sometimes they support "inclusivity" programs developed and funded by the Jews and other times they're pushing for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country.
Incredible, every word of what you just said is wrong.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 03:37:12 AM
Lol you seem to think that I'm just a paranoid conspiracy theorist.

https://www.takimag.com/article/stop-with-the-golems-already/ (https://www.takimag.com/article/stop-with-the-golems-already/)

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And now we Jews, so worried that Minnesota might become the Frozen Fourth Reich if left in the hands of evil whites, have created for ourselves a good old-fashioned golem in Ilhan Omar (and a bunch of other Third World freshman congressthingies). Yeah, Omar hates whites. Yeah, she thinks “white supremacy” lurks behind every glass of milk and “OK” finger sign. But she hates Jews a hell of a lot more. And here are my people—my brilliant retards—now forced to defeat the monster they created, a monster not only brought about by Jewish-backed policies, but one that mirrors Jewish rhetoric like a pro.

Jews: “Oy vey! Omar’s criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic!”
Omar: “Inshallah! Your criticism of my criticism of Israel is Islamophobic!”
Jews: “Your criticism of our criticism of your criticism of Israel is anti-Jewish!”
Omar: “Your criticism of my criticism of your criticism of my criticism of Israel is anti-Muslim!”
Jews: “Your criticism of our criticism of your criticism of our criticism of your criticism of Israel will lead to mass shootings of Jews like what happened in Pittsboig!”
Omar: “Your criticism of my criticism of your criticism of my criticism of your criticism of my criticism of Israel will lead to mass shootings of Muslims like what happened in New Zealand!”

Peas in a pod. And who could have seen that coming? Only every fucking Jew in the world who ever read the golem story.

The reaction of Muslims to the New Zealand shooting has been fascinating to observe. The exploitation of the tragedy, the calls for censorship and suppression of political views, the guilting of “all whites” over something one dude did…Jews could not have done a better job. This is Yo-Yo Ma-level shit, outsiders learning the sheet music of a different culture and performing it better than the originators. In the words of Sato from Karate Kid II, “The student has become the teacher.”

tl;dr Jewish writer David Cole says that Jews created racial "inclusivity" as a way of fighting the "white supremacy" boogeyman and in the process empowered more virulently anti-Jewish Musilm elements who themselves adopted media and political tactics pioneered by the ADL. Like the golem of legend, the Jews create third-world "acceptance" movements to combat an enemy, white supremacy, and this third-world "acceptance" movement turns against them ruthlessly. Not unlike white liberalism TBQH.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 03:41:14 AM
"Progressives" can't seem to make up their minds about Israel and the Jews in general. Sometimes they support "inclusivity" programs developed and funded by the Jews and other times they're pushing for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country.

Progressives have been consistently anti-Israel('s government), as Bibi has been a corrupt and worthless piece of shit for decades now, and Israeli Apartheid policy goes back to 1948... and men like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcom X, Jimmy Carter and other highly influential progressive thinkers have called it an apartheid state for just about as long.

Do you think it was Conservatives who supported Arafat's push for peace in the 90s, when he realized that terrorism was getting his people no where and instead began to seek peace? Do you really believe the GOP were the one who saw the wisdom in what he had to say?

This has nothing to do with Judaism and everything to do with anti-colonialism, and opposing Israeli aggression is no more anti-Semitic than opposing police brutality is anti-white.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 09:20:46 AM
You're gonna love this.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394251464348946432 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394251464348946432)

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JUST IN - Biden admin approves $735 million weapons sale to Israel.

The bulk of the proposed sale is of Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAMS, kits that transform so-called “dumb” bombs into precision-guided missiles (WaPo)

US lawmakers now have 20 days to object the weapons sale to Israel with a nonbinding resolution of disapproval.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Cassia on May 17, 2021, 10:27:48 AM
You're gonna love this.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394251464348946432 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1394251464348946432)
🎃Trump would have made Mexico pay for it. 🎃
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 17, 2021, 12:00:19 PM
Lol you seem to think that I'm just a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
After this post of yours, we’re well past thinking and deep into knowing.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 12:13:19 PM
Leave it to a white leftist to ignore a signed confession that doesn't fit with his views. You're a guy who thinks he's doing trannies a favor by chopping off their balls, how much does your opinion really matter? I'd love to have them snipped, too, but unlike you, I'm not delusional enough to think this would be good for them.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 17, 2021, 01:55:11 PM
Arch, you’ve obviously got a lot of anger in you. I don’t know why you’ve chosen to direct it towards people who have done you no harm, but it’s clear that there is no point attempting to reason with you until you find some peace in your life. I wish you luck with that.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 02:04:58 PM
You say there's no point in reasoning with me, but you, you're perfectly rational. You know everything, if someone disagrees with you on any major point they're a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 03:27:48 PM
A graph published by the UN showing the casualty/injury comparison between the two states since 2008... you might notice a small difference between the two, but do not fear for nuclear powered Israel is still the one that is at risk of being wiped off the face of the Earth by rock throwing Palestine.

(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/609b8f4842612f51bfcd8dc7/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2021/05/12/the-human-cost-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-over-the-past-decade-infographic/?sh=7623d195457b

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According to data published by the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), some 5,600 Palestinians died between 2008 and 2020 while nearly 115,000 were injured. During the same period, around 250 Israelis have died while approximately 5,600 were injured.

Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 03:31:36 PM
You say there's no point in reasoning with me, but you, you're perfectly rational. You know everything, if someone disagrees with you on any major point they're a fucking moron.

I'll say this as a regular poster and not a mod... it has nothing to do with disagreement, me and Hiji have disagreed on things before but didn't think the other was an unreasonable tool for it, it has to do with the attitude you've had since you arrived.

You've behaved like a douche, and people notice that. I can literally only find about 3 posts of yours where you aren't behaving with a chip on your shoulder, generally directed at us before we've even said anything. Don't pull the surprised Pikachu when you are responded to in kind.

As a moderator; You keep on throwing around accusations that Hiji is "in favour of cutting off children's balls" in regards to them receiving treatment for gender-dysphoria as minors, which I don't see stated anywhere in that threads' article. I do see, from the link you yourself posted, that both LGBT-advocacy groups and medical professionals believe these treatments are both effective and, more importantly, life saving for many, so it is starting to edge just a little too far into transphobic territory to continue to refer to it in that way.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 03:47:21 PM
He called me a paranoid conspiracy theorist after I posted an article that supported my point that the Jews finance and support "progressive" movements, one that, as I said before, was essentially a "signed confession". I have no obligation to play nice with that.

And what is gender reassignment if not chopping off somebody's balls? "Orchiectomy" is basically the main thing that's done.

(https://i.ibb.co/ykbpYxD/Screen-Shot-2021-05-17-at-1-49-59-PM.png)

Unfortunately it looks like Hiji agrees with me more than you would like. Or maybe he wasn't supposed to say the quiet part out loud.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 03:53:03 PM
He called me a paranoid conspiracy theorist after I posted an article that supported my point that the Jews finance and support "progressive" movements, one that, as I said before, was essentially a "signed confession". I have no obligation to play nice with that.

And what is gender reassignment if not chopping off somebody's balls? "Orchiectomy" is basically the main thing that's done.

You shared a post that is, frankly, conspiracy theory bullshit.

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...have created for ourselves a good old-fashioned golem in Ilhan Omar (and a bunch of other Third World freshman congressthingies).

Ilhan Omar was the product of a Jewish conspiracy to reduce the percentage of whites in Minnesota...

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Yeah, Omar hates whites.

An objectively false conspiracy.

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Yeah, she thinks “white supremacy” lurks behind every glass of milk and “OK” finger sign.

An objectively false conspiracy.

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But she hates Jews a hell of a lot more.

An objectively wrong accusation of racism following an opening remark (she is a "Third World" congresswoman) that is racist.

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The reaction of Muslims to the New Zealand shooting has been fascinating to observe.

Yet another conspiracy theory about Muslims...


Like, you get called out for conspiracy theory bullshit... and your answer is to double down on the conspiracy theory AND throw racism into the mix.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 03:57:22 PM
When somebody comes out about his own people and their lies that's a "conspiracy theory". Righhhhhhht.

As for whether or not the left is stupidly hair-trigger about things like the "OK hand symbol", yes, yes they are.

"Objectively". "Conspiracy theory". You keep using these terms. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 04:28:25 PM
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When somebody comes out about his own people and their lies that's a "conspiracy theory". Righhhhhhht.

No, when someone says something that is objectively false and assumes there is a conspiracy against them that is a conspiracy theory.

Case in point, that entire shitshow of an article you shared.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 04:31:07 PM
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No, when someone says something that is objectively false and assumes there is a conspiracy against them that is a conspiracy theory.

Case in point, that entire shitshow of an article you shared.

What? I think you've gotten to the point where "conspiracy" is practically the only word you know. Your lexicon is becoming very... constrained.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 04:34:13 PM
What? I think you've gotten to the point where "conspiracy" is practically the only word you know. Your lexicon is becoming very... constrained.

"Everyone is out to get us, even we are out to get us by creating a golem that is out to get us!"

Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 04:35:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5dtueVshgw
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 04:37:31 PM
"Everyone is out to get us, even we are out to get us by creating a golem that is out to get us!"

Yeah Jews are pretty paranoid. Kinda like rabbits, they figure anything and everything is going to kill them if it can.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 17, 2021, 04:37:52 PM
When somebody comes out about his own people and their lies that's a "conspiracy theory". Righhhhhhht
Whose own people? I haven’t seen any references in any of your posts to folks I would consider to be my people; that is, people I personally owe loyalty to.

As for whether or not the left is stupidly hair-trigger about things like the "OK hand symbol", yes, yes they are
Red herring. What the hell does the OK hand signal have to do with anything?

"Objectively". "Conspiracy theory". You keep using these terms. I don't think they mean what you think they mean.
If you’re going to use memes, at least have the decency to tie them to a coherent argument.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 04:41:17 PM
Yeah Jews are pretty paranoid. Kinda like rabbits, anything and everything is going to kill them if it can.

Thank you for admitting it was a conspiracy theory, I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 17, 2021, 06:09:00 PM
Whose own people? I haven’t seen any references in any of your posts to folks I would consider to be my people; that is, people I personally owe loyalty to.

That article was a Jew writing about how Jews tried to use black Muslims as a golem for suppressing white supremacy, who in their own turn ended up turning against the Jews.

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Red herring. What the hell does the OK hand signal have to do with anything?

He was accusing Ilhan Omar of being paranoid about white supremacy.

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If you’re going to use memes, at least have the decency to tie them to a coherent argument.

I was accusing Shiranu of overusing the term "conspiracy theory", which he was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAhYECRZR4

Majority of Dems approve of Biden's handling of Israel. Obviously not your part of the party lol.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Draconic Aiur on May 17, 2021, 06:53:19 PM
I think Biden's concern is to remove troops from the Middle East to get this infinite war gone and done, but no matter what option we take people will die by religious fanatics or ethnic suppression.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: GSOgymrat on May 17, 2021, 07:27:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dAhYECRZR4

"Given what you know about the recent outbreak of violence in Israel and Palestine, do you approve or disapprove of President Biden's handling of the situation?"

How many people on the street can intelligently answer this question? I can't. It's unsurprising to me that the Democrats are going to agree with Biden and the Republicans will disagree because most people don't know the history of this conflict, the reason for this current episode of violence, what Biden is doing, or what Biden should be doing? How can the president of the United States stop this violence without making the situation worse? That's a big question to ask people who, chances are, can't locate Israel on a map.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 07:33:19 PM
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That article was a Jew writing about how Jews tried to use black Muslims as a golem for suppressing white supremacy, who in their own turn ended up turning against the Jews.

You really say that isn't a conspiracy theory with a straight face, huh?

I suppose that makes sense, people who believe these hairbrained things don't realise just how moronic they sound, otherwise they wouldn't believe them. 
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 07:55:10 PM
"It's about time... to stop apologizing for supporting Israel. There is no apology to be made. None! It is the best 3 billion dollar investment we made. Were there not an Israel, America would have to invent an Israel!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn4i7_CFIM
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 17, 2021, 07:57:57 PM
It's the best 3 billion dollar investment we've made?  What's our return on investment?
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 17, 2021, 08:04:43 PM
It's the best 3 billion dollar investment we've made?  What's our return on investment?

I was trying to figure that out a few days ago; we don't have any military bases in Israel, they instigate violence that we have to pay for... it seems like a pretty shitty end of the stick for us, to me.

My only thought was maybe they are used as kind of a foil to draw Middle Eastern hatred and keep it directed at them rather than us, but... how well has that worked out.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 17, 2021, 08:21:00 PM
My only thought was maybe they are used as kind of a foil to draw Middle Eastern hatred and keep it directed at them rather than us, but... how well has that worked out.
That's my thinking as well.  Schmuck bait (an obvious decoy/trap made to be targeted by an unintelligent adversary, which harms the adversary in the process)

I mean, we don't even get oil out of this deal, and that's US Mideast policy 101.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 02:40:43 AM
I would say Jeffrey Epstein/Ghislaine Maxwell/Mossad would have something to do with it.

Ghislaine Maxwell's father was a known Mossad/MI6 asset, Ghislaine and Epstein and all the people who visited the island probably were as well (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell#Mossad_allegations;_Vanunu_case)

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The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[47] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."[48]

Shortly before Maxwell's death, a former employee of Israel's Military Intelligence Directorate, Ari Ben-Menashe, approached a number of news organisations in Britain and the US with the allegation that Maxwell and the Daily Mirror's foreign editor, Nicholas Davies, were both long-time agents for Mossad. Ben-Menashe also claimed that, in 1986, Maxwell informed the Israeli Embassy in London that Mordechai Vanunu revealed information about Israel's nuclear capability to The Sunday Times, then to the Daily Mirror. Vanunu was subsequently kidnapped by Mossad and smuggled to Israel, convicted of treason and imprisoned for eighteen years.[49]

Ben-Menashe's story was ignored at first, but eventually journalist Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker repeated some of the allegations during a press conference in London held to publicise The Samson Option, Hersh's book about Israel's nuclear weapons.[50] On 21 October 1991, Labour MP George Galloway and Conservative MP Rupert Allason (also known as espionage author Nigel West) agreed to raise the issue in the House of Commons under parliamentary privilege protection,[a] which in turn allowed British newspapers to report events without fear of libel suits. Maxwell called the claims "ludicrous, a total invention" and sacked Davies.[51] A year later, in Galloway's libel settlement against Mirror Group Newspapers (in which he received "substantial" damages), Galloway's counsel announced that the MP accepted that the group's staff had not been involved in Vanunu's abduction. Galloway referred to Maxwell as "one of the worst criminals of the century".[52]
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 18, 2021, 04:17:26 AM
You heard it here first, folks. We all thought Epstein was the sex trafficker, but it was really those damn dirty Jews. /s
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 05:37:25 AM
You heard it here first, folks. We all thought Epstein was the sex trafficker, but it was really those damn dirty Jews. /s

Political correctness is Bolshevism's bastard child, both are inventions of the Jew.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on May 18, 2021, 11:32:45 AM
Ah yes, communism is a Jewish conspiracy. That was one of Hitler’s favorite talking points in Mein Kampf.

How much deeper do you want to dig your hole, Arch? You’ve already exposed yourself as an actual Nazi, but I’m sure we can find even more interesting things about you through this line of conversation.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 12:35:46 PM
The alt-right is a bunch of larpers on the Internet with 0 proposals for how to implement their ideals, whereas you guys are agitating publicly for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country on the planet. Who's the bigger threat to the Jews?
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 18, 2021, 02:06:32 PM
The alt-right is a bunch of larpers on the Internet with 0 proposals for how to implement their ideals, whereas you guys are agitating publicly for the destruction of the one Jewish majority country on the planet. Who's the bigger threat to the Jews?

Interesting you think, "stop bombing kids and stealing people's homes" means the destruction of Israel.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 18, 2021, 04:26:23 PM
Israeli airstrike damages Gaza Strip's sole covid testing site (https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/gaza-covid-testing-lab-israeli-strikes-health-ministry-1804167-2021-05-19)

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A strike on Monday knocked out Gaza's only Covid-19 testing laboratory, the health ministry said, and the Qatari Red Crescent said a strike damaged one of its offices in the enclave.

The rate of positive coronavirus tests in Gaza has been among the highest in the world, at 28 percent.

Hospitals in the territory, which has been under Israeli blockade for almost 15 years, have been overwhelmed by patients and there are frequent power blackouts.
I suppose Hamas was hiding in there, too. :/

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US President Joe Biden, having resisted joining other world leaders and much of his own Democratic party in calling for an immediate end to hostilities, told Netanyahu Monday night he backs a ceasefire, but stopped short of demanding a truce.
C'mon, man!  You're embarrassing me in front of the wizards.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 06:34:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fUzPaUBGHU

tl;dw


My view of Israel's long term plan, re: the Palestinians.

Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 18, 2021, 06:55:51 PM
Genocide (falsely) presented as the only option.  Where have I heard that before?
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 09:05:11 PM

Like it or not they crossed the Rubicon a long time ago. Ariel Sharon was basically the last hope for a two state solution.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 18, 2021, 09:15:03 PM
Reporter: “Can I ask you a quick question on Israel? "

Biden: “No, you can’t. Not unless you get in front of the car as I step on it.”



Haha funny prez make joke about fund war crime and kill press for asking.
(In a city that is 47% Arab-American and had multiple protests against him today)
https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1394763932007649281 (https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1394763932007649281)
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 18, 2021, 10:35:37 PM
Reporter: “Can I ask you a quick question on Israel? "

Biden: “No, you can’t. Not unless you get in front of the car as I step on it.”
In fairness, like 90% of his conversation with reporters was about the car with him warning reporters that he's going to step on it soon.  Then came the Israel question and then he said that line and said he was just teasing and afterwards floored it.  Still, that was kinda douchey.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hydra009 on May 18, 2021, 10:54:02 PM
(https://i.redd.it/h9ygi6fajxz61.png)

Interesting choice of words.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 18, 2021, 11:39:53 PM
(https://i.redd.it/h9ygi6fajxz61.png)

Interesting choice of words.

This is getting dangerously close to making the anti-Semitic accusation that Jews control the media.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: trdsf on May 19, 2021, 01:02:21 AM
I will grant that Israel has a right to exist.

That doesn't mean the Palestinians don't.

And in any case, I'm much more convinced that this is Bibi trying to divert attention from his legal and ethical woes.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 19, 2021, 04:22:20 AM
Something I vaguely remember reading before, but looking into it now... Israel is literally run by a former terrorist organization.

From the early 1900s until 1948, there was a terrorist organization in Israel known as Irgun, who were most famous for two attacks; the King David Hotel bombing that killed 91 and the Deir Yassin Massacre of 107 Palestinians.

They were much more active on a small scale though, using car bombs and small improvised explosives thrown into crowded markets to injure Palestinians; between 37' and 48' they killed around 500 Arabs (as well as a hundred-some British citizens).

In 48' they realized they should go legitimate, and so they formed the Herut party.

That party is now known as the Likud, which has been in power since 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 19, 2021, 02:54:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZApiT5xgaSc
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Cassia on May 20, 2021, 11:37:31 PM
Looks like an agreement to cease fire has been made. The IDF's 'iron dome' system seems to work most of the time. The newer long range Iranian rockets may be harder to hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eSZaCHXBVA
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 21, 2021, 01:59:26 PM
Less than 12 hours in, the Israelis are already breaking the cease fire, injuring several dozen Palestinians at the al-Aqsa Mosque.

Surprise, sur-fucking-prise.

https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1395737618432811012 (https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1395737618432811012)
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on May 30, 2021, 11:03:37 AM
Old news but relevant:

Anti-war podcaster harassed by police after criticizing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter (https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/04/13/poli-a13.html)

TL;DR AOC gave a non-answer to a question about Israel in a recent town hall type meeting, somebody on Twitter criticized her for this, and a podcaster retweeted that criticism. AOC plays wilting lily like she always does and calls the capitol police, not on the person who asked the question, not on the person who criticized her answer, BUT THE GUY WHO RETWEETED THAT CRITICISM.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: trdsf on May 30, 2021, 03:05:04 PM
Old news but relevant:
Not without the text of the original tweet it isn't.  I quote the article:

"Rather, he came under their “radar” for “a tweet authored by another user that was deemed threatening.” The content of the alleged tweet has not been made known."

And what does the 'victim' put forth as the reason he was paid a visit?  Not a retweet at all.  So, that's somewhere between dishonest and disingenuous: at a minimum, he's making up his own victim narrative.

Also, you claim:
AOC plays wilting lily like she always does and calls the capitol police

Did you read the article?  "Ocasio-Cortez’s office has denied that the congresswoman or anyone in her office reported Wentz’s post."  So you're just deciding she lied on no evidence whatsoever.

I prefer facts, thanks.  I'll wait to see what the original tweet was.  If it included a threat, he should have been visited (as should the original author).  Until then, spare us your pearl-clutching and manufactured outrage.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Shiranu on May 30, 2021, 03:40:17 PM
Rule of thumb; if you see someone bring up AOC, there is a 89% chance they don't have a clue what the fuck they are talking about.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: sasuke on June 07, 2021, 11:54:01 PM
"Given what you know about the recent outbreak of violence in Israel and Palestine, do you approve or disapprove of President Biden's handling of the situation?"
I disapprove
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How many people on the street can intelligently answer this question? I can't.
I can
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It's unsurprising to me that the Democrats are going to agree with Biden and the Republicans will disagree because most people don't know the history of this conflict,
  and because tribalism first, rationalize second.
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the reason for this current episode of violence,
It's because Iran is sending a message to the US (through Hamas) during their nuclear talks, but some here, who because they know a bit more about Islam than Rumsfeld, will tell you that Shia and Sunnis do not work together https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/18/1863285_iran-aq-ksa-the-al-qaeda-iran-connection-.html (https://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/18/1863285_iran-aq-ksa-the-al-qaeda-iran-connection-.html).
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what Biden is doing,
Biden is a moron who wants to go back to appeasing Iran. Iran will have more money, and send more rockets to Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and a bunch of other militias in Iraq, because Iran is invested in destabilizing the entire region
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or what Biden should be doing?
He should not send money, support, or troops anywhere into that area, may they all kill each other, and let their gods sort them out.
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How can the president of the United States stop this violence without making the situation worse? That's a big question to ask people who, chances are, can't locate Israel on a map.
I disagree. That's the least important question that you asked. I don't have any compulsion to interfere. At its core, it's a religious (Muslim) / racial (Zionist) war, but the Christians in the US who believe that Israel must rise before their Jesus comes back, while the left who thinks that every imbalance of power came into being out of oppression, will continue to want to poke their collective noses where they don't belong.

I will freely admit that there is at least one thing I don't know about the conflict, given the amount of propaganda from both sides for almost one century now: how much of the Palestinian lands/properties were truly bought outright by Jews over the decades, and how much did they take by force because they are the chosen people? Also not an important question, but I am curious.

At the end of the day, Israel was the aggressor, but they won the war. That's how almost every country was formed, and I don't think that Kuwait should go back to Iraq, or that Lebanon should go back to being a part of Syria, or ...

The Fateh party before, and now the human shield using Hamas, refuse to normalize relations with Israel, and continue to call it the Zionist entity, because these parties profit from the conflict, not from a resolution. So the Palestinians will continue to live in abhorrent conditions, when they should have accepted the loss and made some concessions back in 1967. But you know what the Arabs said, "what was taken by force, will not be taken back except by force", or something similar (My Arabic to English translation isn't perfect). About 30 years ago, my father told me that there is a Jewish way of doing business that we should always seriously consider: "take what you can now, ask for more later". In other words, whether true or not about the Jews, he was warning me to not be like the Arabs.
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: arch warmonger on June 08, 2021, 12:32:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC99VT9qgz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unPXNF1kND8
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on June 10, 2021, 01:31:22 AM
Are you aware that Barack Obama is no longer the president of the United States?
Title: Re: Israel Ramping Up Violence Against Palestinians
Post by: trdsf on June 10, 2021, 01:40:32 PM
Are you aware that Barack Obama is no longer the president of the United States?
You could have posed that question with just the first three words.