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Title: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: arch warmonger on May 03, 2021, 06:51:27 PM
The origins of the French Revolution can often be lost among all the glorification and vilification of that same revolution. Most people seem to forget that the Revolution began as a rift in the ruling elite that originated from a massive government debt crisis. Long story short, after the Franco-English war of 1778, France was in massive debt and could not pay off the debt without a new tax. The French aristocracy had all the money because that's what the system was designed to do, but was unwilling to submit to a tax without documentation being provided by the king, which were not provided because of the secretive, haphazard manner in which the French monarchy traditionally managed its finances.

I see a similar setup occurring in the USA. You have massive government debt, you have wealth being monopolized by corporations and a professional class who do everything they can to avoid paying taxes, and you have a military industrial complex that routinely loses track of tens of billions if not trillions of dollars at a time and was never audited until 2018, an audit that it of course failed.

I don't know if the US will turn out the same way, with massive social unrest dissolving every institution save the military, but I don't see the current system lasting more than 10-15 years into the future.
Title: Re: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: aitm on May 03, 2021, 09:04:03 PM
Not a history professor but I think we’re closer to 1940 Germany.
Title: Re: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: Shiranu on May 03, 2021, 10:09:20 PM
Not a history professor but I think we’re closer to 1940 Germany.

Eh I would say 1920's Italy, but pick your poison, it doesn't matter anyways.
Title: Re: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 04, 2021, 05:30:49 AM
Not a history professor but I think we’re closer to 1940 Germany.

Dad? Perfect disguise. How have you been?
Title: Re: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: drunkenshoe on May 04, 2021, 05:36:43 AM
Come on guys...that's my line. You wouldn't be able to post any of the common comments, if it was even close to those examples.
Title: Re: Similarities between 2021 America and pre-Revolution France
Post by: arch warmonger on May 04, 2021, 12:44:22 PM
Not a history professor but I think we’re closer to 1940 Germany.

Eh I would say 1920's Italy, but pick your poison, it doesn't matter anyways.

I mean it's possible to be suffering from the risk factors from multiple pre-revolution, pre-regime change countries from history.

Another similarity: a hyper-urbanized ruling elite. Might be less of a problem now because of communications tech, but there's definitely a big cultural rift.