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Title: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on December 16, 2020, 01:16:02 AM
2020 has been the year of taking away nice things, so of course it couldn't fuck off without taking away PornHub (https://www.vulture.com/2020/12/pornhub-deletes-all-unverified-content-millions-of-videos.html).

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Pornhub is currently in the process of deleting all unverified videos, a massive portion of its content library, before implementing a more thorough verification process in the New Year. It’s an unprecedented move for one of the largest porn sites in the world. You wouldn’t happen to know anything about it, would you? Videos that are not uploaded by official content partners or members of Pornhub’s model program will be removed pending verification and review beginning in 2021. “As part of our policy to ban unverified uploaders, we have now also suspended all previously uploaded content that was not created by content partners or members of the Model Program,” Pornhub said in an announcement. “This means every piece of Pornhub content is from verified uploaders, a requirement that platforms like Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, Snapchat, and Twitter have yet to institute.”

Prior to this decision, since Pornhub’s launch in 2007, anyone with basic computer literacy could upload any video they wanted, and trust us, they did. Before the content purge on Sunday night, Pornhub held around 13.5 million videos per its own metrics on the home page. As of writing Monday morning, the site shows a mere 2.9 million. The number appears to be fluctuating, per Vice, so it’s unclear what the final number will be.

The announcement comes after a piece in the New York Times Opinion section that followed the lives of child sexual abuse victims whose videos were uploaded to the platform was published Friday, December 4. It led to MasterCard and Visa beginning an investigation into illegal content on the site. On Tuesday, December 8, Pornhub banned all unverified users from uploading or downloading, and said it would expand its moderation. However, by the end of the week, MasterCard and Visa declared they would both stop processing payments on the site. Visa specifically dropped all of the MindGeek network, including Redtube, Youporn, Xtube, and Brazzers.

Pornhub’s decision is not a guaranteed method for preventing abuse of all kinds, including revenge porn, on the site, though it could significantly reduce it. Some amateur porn creators who use the site as a source of income disagree with the credit-card companies’ decision and worry about the industry should they begin to target smaller platforms. Meanwhile, OnlyFans has spent all of 2020 switchin’ them positions for you — peddling influencers like Bella Thorne who think they did it first and helping real people make bank during a pandemic.

EDIT FOR THE INTELLECTUALLY CHALLENGED
I am very happy that illegal content was removed from the site. I am frustrated that it took pressure from Visa and Mastercard to make that happen. I am mildly annoyed that good content got caught in the crossfire.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 16, 2020, 02:21:02 AM
That explains why all of my favorite videos just disappeared out of the blue...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 16, 2020, 02:34:15 AM
Meh, pornsites come and go. And if it does help against the spread of CP and revengeporn, I don't find it in me to be angry.

As for the lost good content. I doubt there will ever be a shortage of porn on the internet.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DopeyCandidJapanesebeetle-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 16, 2020, 04:08:46 AM
Are you fucking serious? Making porn is tied to every kind of illegal activity; from every kind of abuse, threat, underage content, forced sex labour to human trafficking. Just the nature of the industry is enough to be paranoid all the time. It's not far remotely a clean industry and the reason is this frame of mind of 'I don't give a damn what's happening as long as it's there ready for me to fap'. Just because it looks fine on the screen, doesn't make it OK in real life because it is NOT real. Nobody actually knows what's behind at making each piece, if not made under strict rules and environment.

If you love and care about porn, you should be happy about this kind of action and support it. Fuck off and use from the other verified millions of porn flicks to fap.

People being this cut out of realities of porn industry drives me mad. Because it's not stupidity or lack of understanding, is it? It's the willingness of not to understand what's really likely to be happening there. It's just sheer greed and selfishness. Porn is not a basic human right. It's a product you consume, you can survive without. And the moment there is a possibility you are overlapping others' basic human rights while consuming a product, you stay away from it and go to the responsible choice.

Of course, all that is workable considering you are not a lab rat in a 1950s neuroscience experiment.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
Meh, pornsites come and go. And if it does help against the spread of CP and revengeporn, I don't find it in me to be angry.

As for the lost good content. I doubt there will ever be a shortage of porn on the internet.

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DopeyCandidJapanesebeetle-size_restricted.gif)

Two largest traffics on the Internet ... junk email and porn.  Most Youtubes are junk video.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Are you fucking serious? Making porn is tied to every kind of illegal activity; from every kind of abuse, threat, underage content, forced sex labour to human trafficking. Just the nature of the industry is enough to be paranoid all the time. It's not far remotely a clean industry and the reason is this frame of mind of 'I don't give a damn what's happening as long as it's there ready for me to fap'. Just because it looks fine on the screen, doesn't make it OK in real life because it is NOT real. Nobody actually knows what's behind at making each piece, if not made under strict rules and environment.

If you love and care about porn, you should be happy about this kind of action and support it. Fuck off and use from the other verified millions of porn flicks to fap.

People being this cut out of realities of porn industry drives me mad. Because it's not stupidity or lack of understanding, is it? It's the willingness of not to understand what's really likely to be happening there. It's just sheer greed and selfishness. Porn is not a basic human right. It's a product you consume, you can survive without. And the moment there is a possibility you are overlapping others' basic human rights while consuming a product, you stay away from it and go to the responsible choice.

Of course, all that is workable considering you are not a lab rat in a 1950s neuroscience experiment.

That is why all men have to be killed, because women are naturally virtuous ;-)

Did you buy products from China?  You are helping to murder Uiygers, Falung Gong, Hong Kong Democrats etc.  You are helping to subsidize the Chicoms who released Covid.  This is why virtue signaling is BS.  Every human being is baby Hitler.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on December 16, 2020, 01:03:21 PM
If you love and care about porn, you should be happy about this kind of action and support it.
I'm happy that the rape and child porn videos are gone. I'm upset that Pornhub could have handled those sooner (without drastic action) and didn't. They didn't even care until Visa and Mastercard pulled the plug. Instead they dismissed claims by the victims because the victims didn't hold the copyright to the videos, apparently having no problem with the illegal nature of said videos.

Don't get me wrong, I've always been pretty sure that some shady shit occasionally got uploaded and buried in the site, just like happens on YouTube, because on a site that big you obviously can't catch everything. That's why you have a report button, after all, so users who find something you missed can bring it to your attention. The fact that they ignored their own reporting system on the grounds of "copyright" boggles my mind. And now the proverbial baby is being thrown out with the bathwater because apparently basic human decency is too much to ask for.

Fuck off and use from the other verified millions of porn flicks to fap.
How about you take the stick out of your ass and stop making assumptions about me, you presumptuous bitch.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2020, 01:15:50 PM
I do object to ... real snuff films.  This should be illegal.  Also real pedophilia films (participants less than 18).  This should also be illegal.  But people must have witches to burn.  If Trump didn't exist, the moralizing puritans would find someone else to burn (and yes, Trump is a witch).
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 16, 2020, 01:19:04 PM
Okay, let's take this down a notch, guys.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 16, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
I'm happy that the rape and child porn videos are gone. I'm upset that Pornhub could have handled those sooner (without drastic action) and didn't. They didn't even care until Visa and Mastercard pulled the plug. Instead they dismissed claims by the victims because the victims didn't hold the copyright to the videos, apparently having no problem with the illegal nature of said videos.

Don't get me wrong, I've always been pretty sure that some shady shit occasionally got uploaded and buried in the site, just like happens on YouTube, because on a site that big you obviously can't catch everything. That's why you have a report button, after all, so users who find something you missed can bring it to your attention. The fact that they ignored their own reporting system on the grounds of "copyright" boggles my mind. And now the proverbial baby is being thrown out with the bathwater because apparently basic human decency is too much to ask for. How about you take the stick out of your ass and stop making assumptions about me, you presumptuous bitch.
   

Yeah because you need to be a 'presemptuous bitch with a stick up your ass' to react to that OP. Riiight. I must be old, this is so fucking normal, I'm so far behind. And you wonder why they don't act sooner.

This is how this shit works. People generally don't care about reporting it when it comes to this particular content, and it gets ignored for a long time because nobody actually cares about removing it once it has become regular. That's the nature of this bucket.

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The fact that they ignored their own reporting system on the grounds of "copyright" boggles my mind.

Sorry couldn't pass. The fact that this boggles your mind concerning a porn site, esp. in a global pandemic, boggles my mind even more.

And those are the points I meant up there more than making an assumption about you. I didn't see you as someone consuming illegal content, I saw you as someone whining about the very wrong part of the whole thing. Because that's where your post points. That's all.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on December 16, 2020, 01:38:22 PM
I saw you as someone whining about the very wrong part of the whole thing.
I'm sorry, I didn't think I needed to spell out the painfully obvious. Clearly I should not have expected you to be able to deduce that I, a normal and well-adjusted human being, am happy to see illegal content go bye-bye and am merely annoyed that some good stuff got caught in the crossfire. Next time I'll be sure to edit in the appropriate handholding that members of the faux-woke crowd like yourself seem to so desperately require.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 16, 2020, 01:43:03 PM
Just watch redtube and xvids lol
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: PickelledEggs on December 16, 2020, 01:43:33 PM
a normal and well-adjusted human being
lol
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 16, 2020, 01:46:24 PM
This is how this shit works. People generally don't care about reporting it when it comes to this particular content, and it gets ignored for a long time because nobody actually cares about removing it once it has become regular. That's the nature of this bucket.

You'd be surprised. I've looked in the comments section. There are undoubtedly tons of kink shaming people willing to report anything that doesn't fit their standards. I've never seen anything showing real abuse, but I imagine it would have been reported right away. It's up to the moderators to actually respond to those reports.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 16, 2020, 01:50:54 PM
I'm sorry, I didn't think I needed to spell out the painfully obvious. Clearly I should not have expected you to be able to deduce that I, a normal and well-adjusted human being, am happy to see illegal content go bye-bye and am merely annoyed that some good stuff got caught in the crossfire. Next time I'll be sure to edit in the appropriate handholding that members of the faux-woke crowd like yourself seem to so desperately require.

You could have written a few lines, anything is better than that^. Don't tell me there is nothing that push your buttons this way when you see it. It was an honest reaction.

By the way, how do you call someone like me woke...fake or real? I think you forget where I live. Woke...lol. Maybe I should take it as a compliment to look trendy...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 16, 2020, 02:02:39 PM
You'd be surprised. I've looked in the comments section. There are undoubtedly tons of kink shaming people willing to report anything that doesn't fit their standards. I've never seen anything showing real abuse, but I imagine it would have been reported right away. It's up to the moderators to actually respond to those reports.

Oh I wouldn't be. That's exactly what I expect, esp. for the trivial stuff mostly. People love throwing poop and feeling clean about themselves in porn sites. Typical.

However, I pretty much doubt the removing suspicious content right away part, if not too obvious. It doesn't have to be on the extreme, something like CP. I'm talking about the usual, adult stuff.       

Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hijiri Byakuren on December 16, 2020, 02:04:51 PM
Just watch redtube and xvids lol
Well RedTube is owned by the same company that owns Pornhub (Mind Geek) so if it's not getting clapped already, it soon will. And Xvideos literally has a "forced" tag that is exactly what it sounds like, so I'm pretty sure everyone who uses that site is on a list somewhere.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2020, 02:15:14 PM
Burn the witches (insert people you despise here)!  Where is your tolerance now?  Don't you want to defend cannibals and necrophiliacs?
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 16, 2020, 02:23:27 PM
I have never thought of that way before. If I'm not mistaken pornhub has opened some premium sections for free because of the pandemic, right? Probably at other sites too?

It's actually a very suitable time to insert any kind of content and follow it, you can even make experiments at those sites. Everybody is at home in a way. You can pull it back later with any kind of excuse.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on December 16, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
XHamster is good too.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Unbeliever on December 16, 2020, 05:05:17 PM
The internet has porn!? I never knew that...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 16, 2020, 08:16:12 PM
The internet has porn!? I never knew that...

You only like paper-mache hentai ;-)  Origami paper dolls ... woo, woo!
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 16, 2020, 08:35:22 PM
The internet has porn!? I never knew that...

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Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 16, 2020, 08:46:07 PM
And Xvideos literally has a "forced" tag that is exactly what it sounds like, so I'm pretty sure everyone who uses that site is on a list somewhere.

At least 50% of all porn is incest porn. Is that really any different? Some pretend to be school kids, despite clearly being in their thirties, and that's basically pretend pedophilia if you think about it. It's all acting anyway. As long as no one's actually being harmed, I really don't care what fantasies people are in to.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Cassia on December 17, 2020, 10:07:53 AM
When moving picture machines were invented in the Victorian days...some of the first efforts were porn-o-graphic.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 17, 2020, 01:40:11 PM
When moving picture machines were invented in the Victorian days...some of the first efforts were porn-o-graphic.

Those were motion studies ... to see the limbs move, the subject had to be naked ...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Unbeliever on December 17, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
Yeah, just like French art classes...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 17, 2020, 08:04:18 PM
Yeah, just like French art classes...

All the art teachers in France ...
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hydra009 on December 17, 2020, 09:05:03 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARPCjp0ppEE
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: CrowTRobot on December 19, 2020, 10:09:10 PM
There is porn being produced that is more sex positive and ethical, but it isn't always free.  Women led production companies are out there making content that is not part of the more exploitative scene that most porn comes from, but they tend to be smaller and not as well known.
https://www.bustle.com/wellness/places-watch-ethical-porn-female-pleasure
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 19, 2020, 11:47:42 PM
There is porn being produced that is more sex positive and ethical, but it isn't always free.  Women led production companies are out there making content that is not part of the more exploitative scene that most porn comes from, but they tend to be smaller and not as well known.
https://www.bustle.com/wellness/places-watch-ethical-porn-female-pleasure

I see that you're new. Can you do an introduction (http://atheistforums.com/index.php?board=2.0) thread so we can know you a little better?
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 20, 2020, 02:41:59 AM
Cinema industry is invented/developed by men 'to look at women' as well as recreating stories, events in real environment in a controlled, manipulated way. I'm sure people in the 'kitchen' saw the potential but the idea wasn't 'oh this is going to be THE art and entertainment medium'. For a considerable time it was thought as a cheap, cheating imitation of theatre, and feared as a very powerful means of propaganda -which it is. As you know, photography has suffered a similar fate compared to traditional art mediums and a lot of earlier examples were made to look like paintings.

You know the sayings then. 'If they could act, they'd be on stage' and/or 'if it was art, it would be on a canvas'. Which is comical to us...lol. Also they didn't know that the great masters of the past did calculate everything very boringly with the help of certain primitive devices, only paint the important little bits and gave to it to the never heard about apprentices to do the most, lol.

Internet has the same story. It's invented by men, developed by men according to their interests and points of view.

Beyond leading the men who makes the porn industry, young generation women need to get behind the camera to make porn themselves. Because considering the world has been leaning to the far right & religious, trying to make it transparent and provide strict control, creating new leagues could actually even save it. People in general, esp. in the western countries, cannot imagine porn being illegal or not available for comsumption, but seriously, it would just take another batshit couple of decades for that be a history in reality. 

However, because of the nature of this act and its all kinds of relations to us as living organisms and well, human; performed in any form or provided in the flesh, it will never be clean, positive or ethical. We'll need super hightech sex dolls for that. No living organism of any kind.

Firstly, because industry runs on young people who traditionally come from bad circumstances. Mostly, they get in for any reason from fun to money -imagining free will at play, which a very small minority- but then it doesn't work like any other jobs. Rest is very dark, there are millions of men and women and children working as slaves in this industry.

So either you carry the civilisation up to some level where any job related to sex is just an ordinary job; with pension and whole shabang, one that people can stop doing and pick another with no consequences of any kind, doesn't matter what their gender are OR high tech sex dolls.

Yeah. Well, high tech sex dolls.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Draconic Aiur on December 20, 2020, 04:38:01 AM
Did someone mention high tech sex dolls?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJMHuKH6FoQ
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 20, 2020, 05:12:58 AM
Preferably one that is designed for humans. :lol:
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Cassia on December 20, 2020, 07:17:20 AM
I agree, most trends point to a future with sex robots, for some reason they seem to be "bow-legged".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4798599/harmony-3-0-sex-robot-with-self-lubricating-vagina-will-be-released-in-time-for-christmas/
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 20, 2020, 08:05:51 AM
Eh, I don't know about that. It might be kinda hard to hide something like that. You can't hide it under your bed like a magazine, or delete your internet history to make a doll disappear. How does one even get it inside without the neighbors seeing it? Just carry it in a not suspicious at all human-sized box? Plus, they would probably be very expensive, so you'd have to very committed to getting one.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: SGOS on December 20, 2020, 10:07:41 AM
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But dating a robot has its drawbacks - Harmony can’t hit the town with you or challenge you to a game of darts at the pub.  She’s also no good at household chores or general admin, and she can’t even walk.

This technology has a ways to go before it's up to my standards.
If anyone hasn't seen one of Ryan Goslings earlier films, Lars and the Real Girl, is an absolute don't miss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNcs9DrKYRU
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
I can understand why women don't like porn.  I try not to use it for sexploitation.  Women need to make more porn (that men will watch).  The problem with that is, it would probably give most men negative gay feelings ;-)  Or you puritans out there can just ban everything ;-(

Sex dolls = high tech solves every problem ... really?  Maybe stop being an INCEL.

Ladies .. you can stop being paranoid now ... most of you are too plain or too ugly to be interesting ;-)
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 20, 2020, 10:59:42 AM
I agree, most trends point to a future with sex robots, for some reason they seem to be "bow-legged".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4798599/harmony-3-0-sex-robot-with-self-lubricating-vagina-will-be-released-in-time-for-christmas/

LOL yeah those legs. I think because they weren't design to stand? But the dishwasher approved vagina... :eek:
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 20, 2020, 11:00:55 AM
Eh, I don't know about that. It might be kinda hard to hide something like that. You can't hide it under your bed like a magazine, or delete your internet history to make a doll disappear. How does one even get it inside without the neighbors seeing it? Just carry it in a not suspicious at all human-sized box? Plus, they would probably be very expensive, so you'd have to very committed to getting one.

I never thought of that way. But probably they would make a foldable-portable one as they go.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 20, 2020, 02:13:26 PM
I never thought of that way. But probably they would make a foldable-portable one as they go.

As entertaining as it sounds to have a Samus sex doll that curls into a ball for portability, giving the doll that kind of flexibility would probably come with some drawbacks when it comes to realism.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 20, 2020, 02:41:25 PM
I never thought of that way. But probably they would make a foldable-portable one as they go.

Like a blow-up doll? Which, coincidentally, I'm as inclined to put my penis in, as much as a 'realdoll'.
Honestly, masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of. But buying and maintaining a prop like that... Just not appealing.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2020, 06:41:16 PM
As entertaining as it sounds to have a Samus sex doll that curls into a ball for portability, giving the doll that kind of flexibility would probably come with some drawbacks when it comes to realism.

You could always get a retarded girl to pretend she is made of plastic ;-(
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2020, 06:41:56 PM
Like a blow-up doll? Which, coincidentally, I'm as inclined to put my penis in, as much as a 'realdoll'.
Honestly, masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of. But buying and maintaining a prop like that... Just not appealing.

A realistic sex doll for you, would bite your head off after sex ;-)
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: SGOS on December 20, 2020, 08:36:13 PM
I was trading stories with another sailor about the odd things you can encounter out in the middle of the ocean when you are by yourself.  He said his favorite was coming across a floating blow up doll.  The best I could counter with that were a few paper plates and a plastic pop bottle or two.  Of course people throw stuff overboard, but it is frowned upon, and throwing your sex partner off the boat is considered rude and in poor taste.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 20, 2020, 09:28:55 PM
I agree, most trends point to a future with sex robots, for some reason they seem to be "bow-legged".
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4798599/harmony-3-0-sex-robot-with-self-lubricating-vagina-will-be-released-in-time-for-christmas/

Just looked at the video on that page, and man. They've still got a long way to go before having conversations with these things will sound believable. But part of me also doesn't want that. I don't know. Having a conversation with an inanimate object just feels weird.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Hydra009 on December 20, 2020, 09:52:15 PM
Having a conversation with an inanimate object just feels weird.
0xF401 How so,
0xF40C Human-friend
Code: [Select]
U+003F
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Cassia on December 20, 2020, 10:37:57 PM
0xF401 How so,
0xF40C Human-friend
Code: [Select]
U+003F
I usually give my age in hex. My sweetheart pulled that on when we met, LOL.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 20, 2020, 11:45:58 PM
I usually give my age in hex. My sweetheart pulled that on when we met, LOL.

From Pennsylvanian Dutch country? ;-)
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 03:59:05 AM
Like a blow-up doll? Which, coincidentally, I'm as inclined to put my penis in, as much as a 'realdoll'.
Honestly, masturbation is nothing to be ashamed of. But buying and maintaining a prop like that... Just not appealing.

Yeah, I agree with you. But then think how most people viewed simple masturbation aids like vibrators or silicon vaginas just a few decades ago. It's a common product now. So I think this is about getting used to it like almost everything else. And in time, people will be born into that culture and it would be like buying a new toaster.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 04:27:39 AM
Beyond silicon dolls, imagine a time when Blade Runner like androids are available. I mean, the machines so good we can't tell the difference. An individual doll that can learn and grow, get old, and can mimic human warmth, sincerity and every human behaviour in an excellent way. By 'excellent', I definitely don't mean some slave, a character that would do anything you want, obey your every wish, but something better.

A machine with the ability of learning so good in every dimension about the human's nature he/she lives with, it knows when and where to conflict with him/her, support or not support in what, show which attitude when and change and adjust them according to the human's past, all kinds of experiences and life long changes of that human to maintain his/her attraction perpetually.

For example, she would cheat on you if that's necessary or won't cheat on you even if its life depended on it. A machine that can get old with you, will be loyal to you to the end no matter what. As in a traditonally ideal relationship. There could be divorces or break up...even years spent apart, doesn't matter. The story will be calculated on the way but with a certain goal. Creating a doll to make the bullshit idea of 'soul mate', a real thing as much as possible.

But of course as you may guess, there is one fatal point of this system that would collapse it in a second. The human must not be aware that this companion is a machine for this to work. Because the human I know will reject anything/anyone he/she thinks 'under' his/her league -which is everything and everyone else in the universe- doesn't matter what's his/her actual need to be happy and peaceful. (Which is often very simple.) It is a narcisisstic, megolamaniac, egocentric piece of shit species, and actually I think that's the reason we have been entertaining ourselves with the sci-fi AI concepts in one direction that is largely based on their awerness and shock at not being human. The mind breaking existential crisis the poor machines go through...naturally can only be responded by an attempt of genocidal global revolution and some sort of machine dictatorship, no less.     

So, I think the success of this industry in a high context does not depend on machines' self awareness, but human's complete ignorance of machines.

Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: GSOgymrat on December 21, 2020, 07:55:35 AM
A machine with the ability of learning so good in every dimension about the human's nature he/she lives with, it knows when and where to conflict with him/her, support or not support in what, show which attitude when and change and adjust them according to the human's past, all kinds of experiences and life long changes of that human to maintain his/her attraction perpetually.

I think you make a good point that an android for an ongoing, fulfilling relationship would decide what the user needs rather than the user themself and maintain the illusion they were completely human. For exciting masturbation, the user's fantasy of the moment would be sufficient.

"Computer, run 'freak of nature' program."

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Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mr.Obvious on December 21, 2020, 07:58:40 AM
Yeah, I agree with you. But then think how most people viewed simple masturbation aids like vibrators or silicon vaginas just a few decades ago. It's a common product now. So I think this is about getting used to it like almost everything else. And in time, people will be born into that culture and it would be like buying a new toaster.

Maybe. But for me... Even if I weren't in a long-lasting relationship, buying something like that would be akin to giving up.  I mean, at best it's a major expense you hope to use for as little time as possible. Because once you get a gf or prospects, you better get that shit out of your basement or attic fast and unseen. So best case scenario you pay like, i dunno, 800 bucks on something you'd rather not have. Worst case scenario, it actively stops you from going out and trying.
And then there'd be the maintenance. Unless they can develop sexbots to be advanced enough to be self-cleansing, that'd be the biggest turn-off of all. You know, with 'normal' masturbation, it's a matter of getting rid of a few tissues, afterward. Or cleaning one dildo or vibrator. Imagine having to dismantle that doll, put the used artificial vagina in the dishwasher (gross), wipe off it's body, clean out the dishwasher, fold the doll back up into it's storage box and bring it to it's 'hiding place'...
I mean, the idea of taking it out of that place and all the work it entails (during which i imagine a tad too much contemplation of your life choices would settle in), goes directly against the mainstream purpose of  masturbation.
When people masturbate, they almost always would indeed prefer to have real sex. But, and maybe I'm only speaking for myself here, masturbation is never going to fullfill that emotional need nor the actual feeling and sense of accomplishment that goes into sex. Masturbation is the fast-food equivalent; getting it done and over with relatively quick because you have an "urgent" need and can't wait to cook first or because you don't have anyone to take to a fancy restaurant.
Honestly, It'd be like renting a tuxedo.  Preparing some conversation starters. Getting ready for the most important date of your life. And then revealing that you ordered McDonalds at home. Set a mighty fancy table. Spend the evening talking to yourself. And then post pictures of your excquisite time on facebook and giving the McDonalds a yelp review.
That's not what fastfood is for. It just isn't.

Anyway... Maybe I'm old fashioned that way.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mike Cl on December 21, 2020, 09:29:28 AM
The porn industry has been a driving force for just about all types of industry.  From the time of books, this has been true--and probably from times before that, as well.  I remember hearing of 8 mm movies of porn when I was a child--never saw one, but wanted to.  Anyway, each new form of communication was partly taken over and driven by porn.  Androids will be no different.  In some respects, the porn driven androids will be made to be more 'human' like because they will sell better.  As always, the porn industry will thrive and it will always continue to do so.
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Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 09:44:02 AM
Well, we'll be too old or gone by that point I imagine. Even if not, we highly likely won't be living in that world in that time.

Relationships...sex, love...etc. I don't know how to express this. My parents have been together since 1966. They got married in 1971. They have been together for 54 years. Their relationship is more than a decade longer than my entire life. Half a century plus four. Two quarters of a century plus four years.

Doesn't matter how I put it, it is virtually incomprehensible for me in reality. I don't mean anything romantic, soul mate...etc. They would laugh with their ass to those things. I've doubt if they ever celebrated an anniversary of even a birthday. I know they haven't. (I'm the same.) But nobody can say something negative about one in presence of the other. Doesn't matter how stupid or silly the subject is, they have an odd, but very strong way of supporting each other. You can't catch that if you don't pay attention and put your mind, it took me decades ffs. When that happens, I swear, it's like the whole world is cast aside and they're in an other dimension just by themselves, speaking a different language.

I get one thing from all that. They're not from this time of the world. So, that's what I mean. There could be a time, or a period in this world when human to human relationships are something of the past. It could then go back to the traditional ways... Then again...

 
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mike Cl on December 21, 2020, 10:12:12 AM
You're parents are unique, Shoe.  But not.  Each enduring relationship is somewhat unique to the particular couple you are referring to.  I don't see sex androids changing that.  Oh, their use will grow and at some point become common, if not accepted.  But human/human relationships will continue. 

What I'd love to see and be a part of (never even come close to my lifetime) a society that kills porn.  But it kills it because all forms of consensual sex will be seen as normal.  The human naked body will be simply accepted as what we look like and no big deal.   (But then porn would evolve into illegal stuff--like inflicting pain, using force and torture--I understand there are things like 'snuff' films that some get into--parts of society will always be grotesque I guess)
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 10:26:11 AM
Eventually every individual will show to the world, and to themselves, what a total loser they are ;-(
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 10:39:49 AM
You're parents are unique, Shoe.  But not.  Each enduring relationship is somewhat unique to the particular couple you are referring to.  I don't see sex androids changing that.  Oh, their use will grow and at some point become common, if not accepted.  But human/human relationships will continue.

Sure. But think about a human world where that relationship is not the norm or ideal but a marginal one.

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What I'd love to see and be a part of (never even come close to my lifetime) a society that kills porn.  But it kills it because all forms of consensual sex will be seen as normal.  The human naked body will be simply accepted as what we look like and no big deal.   (But then porn would evolve into illegal stuff--like inflicting pain, using force and torture--I understand there are things like 'snuff' films that some get into--parts of society will always be grotesque I guess)

Yeah...but it is not going to happen. Or maybe simply, I can't imgaine it.

If we can erase human memories and in addition to that develop a technology that can download an individual's conscienceness into another copy of their body, in other worlds make death obsolete for everyone, maybe then. Even then you can't stop the illegal action but at least the consequences, effects on a potential victim. But then again, like you said there would be another black market where people pay high amount of some valuable currency to kill people in REAL. (Do you know the series called Altered Carbon? Something like that.)

Nope, not gonna happen. We are animals. That's it and that's all. I can't even believe we have moved this far honestly. Wherever that is.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Blackleaf on December 21, 2020, 11:04:39 AM
I think it's more likely that porn will evolve with the development of VR. As soon as VR existed, there was already porn for it. They'll create games and accessories to compliment it, and it'll get more realistic. Sex dolls will still exist, of course, but I don't think the stigma surrounding the ownership of one will ever go away. And unless I win the lottery or something, I don't see myself spending money comparable to a used car on one.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mike Cl on December 21, 2020, 11:41:18 AM
Sure. But think about a human world where that relationship is not the norm or ideal but a marginal one.

Yeah...but it is not going to happen. Or maybe simply, I can't imgaine it.

If we can erase human memories and in addition to that develop a technology that can download an individual's conscienceness into another copy of their body, in other worlds make death obsolete for everyone, maybe then. Even then you can't stop the illegal action but at least the consequences, effects on a potential victim. But then again, like you said there would be another black market where people pay high amount of some valuable currency to kill people in REAL. (Do you know the series called Altered Carbon? Something like that.)

Nope, not gonna happen. We are animals. That's it and that's all. I can't even believe we have moved this far honestly. Wherever that is.
According to the history of predicting or projecting anything into the future, any and all guesses/predictions will be wrong.  So, who knows how this will all play out.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 12:15:54 PM
Baseball trivia ...

“'It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future'” is attributed to a baseball-playing philosopher, Yogi Berra, followed by “… ... "From the insatiable human need to foresee the future. The future will be made known at any cost." - Yogi Berra
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 01:10:41 PM
According to the history of predicting or projecting anything into the future, any and all guesses/predictions will be wrong.  So, who knows how this will all play out.

Agreed. But I personally have no knowledge or experience that would lead me to a positive picture.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 03:35:20 PM
Agreed. But I personally have no knowledge or experience that would lead me to a positive picture.

Aren't you a progressive?  Success and happiness are both inevitable, unearned and undeserved ;-)  Karl Marx predicted this.

If you mean in the context of porn vs the Elite ... then their perversions will be legal.
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Post by: Unbeliever on December 21, 2020, 03:57:20 PM
A realistic sex doll for you, would bite your head off after sex ;-)

Is doggie sex called "pawn"? Or is that chessplayer sex?
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: drunkenshoe on December 21, 2020, 04:34:11 PM
Aren't you a progressive?  Success and happiness are both inevitable, unearned and undeserved ;-)  Karl Marx predicted this.

If you mean in the context of porn vs the Elite ... then their perversions will be legal.

Yeah...people get to become progressives because they are optimists. Gawd, you piss me off.

I hope you'll have hardcore bdsm dreams involving the mentioned philosopher in your post.
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Post by: Baruch on December 21, 2020, 05:54:34 PM
Yeah...people get to become progressives because they are optimists. Gawd, you piss me off.

I hope you'll have hardcore bdsm dreams involving the mentioned philosopher in your post.

My dream last night was over anxiety in public speaking (as in before an auditorium).  Optimist ... I will live forever ... then dies next day.  Gotta keep that carbon cycle running.
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: fencerider on March 18, 2021, 01:07:25 AM
last time I checked those Japanese sex dolls are around $3,000. I'll make my own if I need one 😏

What we really need is a Christians only porn website... maybe the uncensored Catholic church site. There is bound to be some crazy stuff on there

Since I haven't been to pornhub, I won't even notice the reduced content that bothers you😉
Title: Re: GOD FUCKING DAMN IT!
Post by: Mike Cl on March 18, 2021, 08:40:16 AM
last time I checked those Japanese sex dolls are around $3,000. I'll make my own if I need one 😏

What we really need is a Christians only porn website... maybe the uncensored Catholic church site. There is bound to be some crazy stuff on there

Since I haven't been to pornhub, I won't even notice the reduced content that bothers you😉
Ah, Pornhub--the home of the christians.  I find it funny that the states that download porn in the highest percentages are the states with the most christians.