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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #45 on: December 31, 2017, 01:26:36 AM »
Some people want to have sex with robots.  Some people want to be the robots that people have sex with.  Techno-porn ... like war-porn.  Takes all kinds, like in Twister.

Autonomous robots of some sort will happen soon, because unlike autonomous vehicles in civilian situations, it really doesn't matter if they kill people, in fact we would prefer they would kill people ... the trick is reducing the fratricide.  I have thought for decades, connecting up a tele-operated mech suit, not to a man, but to an ant ... would be devastating.  The ant already knows what to do.  But are you a red ant or a black ant?  Ants would make better warriors than people, if you gave them some technical leverage.
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #46 on: December 31, 2017, 12:28:51 PM »
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This seems a rather slippery slope on deciding what is "forward", though. Stripping humanity of all humanity is arguably going "forward", but should sheer practicality always outweigh humanity?
I had to look up the post you were quoting to make any sense of the reply.  I was talking about human augmentation (transhumanism) as a way for humans to enhance our innate traits, eliminate harmful traits, and adapt to our increasingly technological world.  What I'm proposing is a massive overhaul of the human species, and naturally, I expect a lot of resistance to this idea.

You have offered what is probably the most common objection to transhumanism - the idea that augmentation somehow strips away our humanity.  But just a moment of serious reflection reveals this objection to be irrational and untrue.

Do you consider people with artificial hearts to be less human than people with natural hearts?  People with prosthetic legs/arms to be less human than their fully intact counterparts?  And let's consider less invasive modifications as well.  Hearing aids, glasses, etc.  On what basis is their humanity infringed?  And what is the definition of humanity in the first place?

On what basis should a blind person not be allowed to see?  Or a person with astigmatism not be allowed to see better?  Or a person with normal vision not be allowed to have better than 20/20 vision?  What sound logic allows the first two but not the third?
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Offline Hydra009

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #47 on: December 31, 2017, 12:49:05 PM »
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I remember when this was the talk of the town:



A lot of people laughed dismissively that day.  The laughter has died down a lot since then.

What people didn't understand back then is that progress always starts small.  There are always tons of early failures.  But bit by bit (pun intended), these early efforts are improved upon until they produce great achievements.

I find ongoing advances in robotics to be amazing.  I can't wait for the day when robots start taking over dangerous jobs (first responders, mining, industrial, waste management, space exploration/mining, etc)

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2017, 01:10:20 PM »
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Have you guys seen the newest robots?

I hear they look like us now...
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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #49 on: December 31, 2017, 07:20:54 PM »
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I had to look up the post you were quoting to make any sense of the reply.  I was talking about human augmentation (transhumanism) as a way for humans to enhance our innate traits, eliminate harmful traits, and adapt to our increasingly technological world.  What I'm proposing is a massive overhaul of the human species, and naturally, I expect a lot of resistance to this idea.

You have offered what is probably the most common objection to transhumanism - the idea that augmentation somehow strips away our humanity.  But just a moment of serious reflection reveals this objection to be irrational and untrue.

Do you consider people with artificial hearts to be less human than people with natural hearts?  People with prosthetic legs/arms to be less human than their fully intact counterparts?  And let's consider less invasive modifications as well.  Hearing aids, glasses, etc.  On what basis is their humanity infringed?  And what is the definition of humanity in the first place?

On what basis should a blind person not be allowed to see?  Or a person with astigmatism not be allowed to see better?  Or a person with normal vision not be allowed to have better than 20/20 vision?  What sound logic allows the first two but not the third?

We could always make you the first Ant Man ... by not giving an ant a mech suit, but replacing your brain with an ant ;-)  Can't go the other way, won't fit.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #50 on: December 31, 2017, 07:21:33 PM »
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I hear they look like us now...

Like cute dogs? ;-)
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Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2018, 04:14:08 PM »
I guess DARPA's not all bad. Here's a vid about the development of prosthetic limbs that can actually have a sense of touch, and was a DARPA project:


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Offline trdsf

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #52 on: January 03, 2018, 12:50:57 PM »
Heck, even mythological critters are getting in on the robotics act -- there's the robot centaur, too:

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Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #53 on: January 03, 2018, 01:28:07 PM »
Cool! I was wondering how it would do on rough terrain, but he says it does very well, which is a must for any decent robot, I think.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #54 on: January 03, 2018, 04:02:30 PM »
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Heck, even mythological critters are getting in on the robotics act -- there's the robot centaur, too:

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There is a robot drawn rickshaw.  You just can't work Asians to death anymore.

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Notice the rickshaw driver is styled as a Texan ;-(
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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2018, 04:03:28 PM »
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Cool! I was wondering how it would do on rough terrain, but he says it does very well, which is a must for any decent robot, I think.

Looks like the engineer understood the phrase ... "suspension of disbelief" ;-)
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Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2018, 04:06:30 PM »
I think the guy sitting is actually the driver. It seems to me that it needs a smoother gait to be more comfortable for the rider - it looks a bit jerky.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #57 on: January 03, 2018, 04:11:13 PM »
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I think the guy sitting is actually the driver. It seems to me that it needs a smoother gait to be more comfortable for the rider - it looks a bit jerky.

In a traditional rickshaw (elsewhere they were replaced with pedi-cabs) ... being a customer meant being a exploitative jerk.  This was the lowest job for someone with two legs, and they literally were worked to death.
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Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #58 on: January 03, 2018, 04:13:32 PM »
Yeah, it seems a lot of people think walking is beneath their dignity, or some such similar absurdity.
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Re: Have you guys seen the newest robots?
« Reply #59 on: January 03, 2018, 05:05:37 PM »
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Yeah, it seems a lot of people think walking is beneath their dignity, or some such similar absurdity.

It was mostly a Victorian thing.  White-man's-burden and all ;-(

The rich Western Christian man should have gotten out, and pulled the rickshaw for the poor Asian guy.  Jesus would have.  The Victorians were masters of hypocrisy.
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