Non-optional RFID Chip

[Baruch]

Baruch,do you really believe things couldn't be worse if the US tried to make it so?

Missed the point being made.

We live in Nazi Germany in 1936 ... we are bad, but not as bad as we could be (and did become a few years later).  The US isn't a force for good, no nation is ... all nations are "great thefts" as Augustine of Hippo described Rome.

But it is unfair to compare what is now, vs what might be in the future.  So yes, the US could become an ever worse dystopia ... but I don't predict it.  I also don't predict that things will get better.  All depends on if you are married to a Goldman-Sachs banker like Hillary's daughter.

[Munch]

I've gone ahead and brought myself an rfid-proof wallet with my card being made into contactless, and brought some aluminium card holders for my mum just to hammer home the fact of the risks involved. 

[Baruch]

The Internet Of Things means that they want to put RFID chips in everything, and have them all connect wirelessly (not to a rogue scanner) into a cloud controlled by Amazon, who works closely with the CIA.  Nothing to worry about here, citizen ... move along.

[widdershins]

The Internet Of Things means that they want to put RFID chips in everything, and have them all connect wirelessly (not to a rogue scanner) into a cloud controlled by Amazon, who works closely with the CIA.  Nothing to worry about here, citizen ... move along.

So, what you're saying is that if the government has all of my data they can keep it safe for me and I don't have to worry about it any more!  Thanks, Obama!

[Blackleaf]

You know, the idea of the chip itself doesn't bother me. It's the mandatory nature of it that bothers me. If I could skip the line at the grocery store by just letting the scanner near the door detect my items and identity, that'd be cool. But it only works to prevent theft if it is enforced on everybody.  People who don't have a chip could still steal just as easily. I'm very wary when it comes to the government forcing something on me (especially when Congress writes its members a loophole). If I don't want to participate, I should have the right to say no.

[Baruch]

I don't trust my own mother.  Why would I trust the government or Amazon?

[Johan]

If I could skip the line at the grocery store by just letting the scanner near the door detect my items and identity, that'd be cool. But it only works to prevent theft if it is enforced on everybody.

Who decided theft prevention was the only worthwhile implementation of this technology?

[Blackleaf]

Who decided theft prevention was the only worthwhile implementation of this technology?

The video in the OP implies that theft prevention is the main use for the technology. Since it's something that's physically attached to you, it's assumed that it would make it difficult to steal your identity, or in the case of the commercial, leave without paying.

[Johan]

We have been paying tolls on highways using RFID chips in cars for decades now. Chips are optional and not all cars have them. And yet toll theft does not seem to be a problem. If they can figure out how to find me and send me a bill for the toll (and they do) when I speed through the ez-pass lane at 70mph without transponder in the car, I'm pretty sure they can figure out a way to prevent non-chipped people from walking off with a cart full of groceries without paying. It ain't rocket science. You can EASILY do this without the need to make them mandatory.

[Baruch]

Who decided theft prevention was the only worthwhile implementation of this technology?

Fox News ... the criminals are everywhere ... terrorists too ... be very afraid ... and send money!  Meanwhile the Elite have stolen 18 trillion and hungers for more.  You agreed to hawk your children's future.

[Baruch]

We have been paying tolls on highways using RFID chips in cars for decades now. Chips are optional and not all cars have them. And yet toll theft does not seem to be a problem. If they can figure out how to find me and send me a bill for the toll (and they do) when I speed through the ez-pass lane at 70mph without transponder in the car, I'm pretty sure they can figure out a way to prevent non-chipped people from walking off with a cart full of groceries without paying. It ain't rocket science. You can EASILY do this without the need to make them mandatory.

Making it mandatory is more uniform, more efficient and more sadistic.  Same as how we treat PCs at work ... make them the same as possible, and secure as possible ... but we don't care if any actual work gets done, just CYA.  Capitalism only likes efficiency ... it doesn't like human dignity.  Snowdon recently said, technology is there to remove the last thread of human dignity from the masses.  The Elite want to rule an it, not a person.  Cows wear electronic tags ... it isn't your identity they are protecting, it is their property that are protecting.

[FaithIsFilth]

Not optional doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the law that you have to get the chip. I remember a scientist saying this would be not optional, but he meant that without the chip, you will not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. I think tens of millions are going to accept this and gladly pay for it, and eventually the old ways will be phased out and you won't really have a choice but to take the chip or not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. Are they ever going to make it law that newborn babies have to be chipped at birth? Maybe eventually, but that's probably not going to be happening in the immediate future. Eventually the chip might be the new social security number. You would need it to drive a car or to get your license, or to enter where you work. At that point, even though I really don't like the idea, I would throw in the towel and get myself chipped.

[Blackleaf]

Not optional doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the law that you have to get the chip. I remember a scientist saying this would be not optional, but he meant that without the chip, you will not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. I think tens of millions are going to accept this and gladly pay for it, and eventually the old ways will be phased out and you won't really have a choice but to take the chip or not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. Are they ever going to make it law that newborn babies have to be chipped at birth? Maybe eventually, but that's probably not going to be happening in the immediate future. Eventually the chip might be the new social security number. You would need it to drive a car or to get your license, or to enter where you work. At that point, even though I really don't like the idea, I would throw in the towel and get myself chipped.

Good point. But you know the Christian nutjobs are going to see this as the prophesied number of the beast and refuse to cooperate. What will they do then? Will they start growing their own food? Will society continue to cater to them? Or will they slowly grow to accept the idea, the same way that they eventually accepted that black people were not subhumans?

[Baruch]

Not optional doesn't necessarily mean that it will be the law that you have to get the chip. I remember a scientist saying this would be not optional, but he meant that without the chip, you will not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. I think tens of millions are going to accept this and gladly pay for it, and eventually the old ways will be phased out and you won't really have a choice but to take the chip or not be able to interact with society in a meaningful way. Are they ever going to make it law that newborn babies have to be chipped at birth? Maybe eventually, but that's probably not going to be happening in the immediate future. Eventually the chip might be the new social security number. You would need it to drive a car or to get your license, or to enter where you work. At that point, even though I really don't like the idea, I would throw in the towel and get myself chipped.

Fabian socialism works like that.  I would push the red button for planetary death first.  I don't care if you are comfortable as a bovine.

[Baruch]

Good point. But you know the Christian nutjobs are going to see this as the prophesied number of the beast and refuse to cooperate. What will they do then? Will they start growing their own food? Will society continue to cater to them? Or will they slowly grow to accept the idea, the same way that they eventually accepted that black people were not subhumans?

Will you accept Seri or Cortana as your Goddess?