Split decision on marriage equality?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Freedom of speech was achieved when government was removed from speech.
Freedom of the press was achieved when government was removed from the press.
Freedom of religion was achieved when government was removed from religion.
I'm for freedom of marriage - how do you suppose that can best be achieved?

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Freedom of speech was achieved when government was removed from speech.
Freedom of the press was achieved when government was removed from the press.
Freedom of religion was achieved when government was removed from religion.
I'm for freedom of marriage - how do you suppose that can best be achieved?

Since when was government removed from any of the above? And...government is in the marriage business.. Anyone can be married by any judge if they meet the legal requirements.

[Wheatthins]

                           

Jesus Jason, we get it already.  You're a libertarian who hates a government that does anything useful.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

If we end the government licensing of marriages, we end not only the current marriage equality debate, we end the next marriage equality debate.  The one that libertarians are already arguing in favor of greater equality and progressives would wish we would shut up about.

And the first amendment keeps the government fairly out of each of those three.

[Plu]

We also end marriage as a useful thing. I'm not sure if that's really worth it. Some people really need the legal stuff that marriage grants to make a living.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Why would we need government marriage certificates in order to have marriage?  Goodness, are you that wedded to official permission?

[aitm]

Goodness, are you that wedded to official permission?

No fair! A punist!





 :rollin:

[Plu]

No I'm wedded to my girlfriend, which actually saves me hundreds to thousands of dollars a year on taxes, child support, legal nonsense, and other crap that makes our life affordable and pleasant. I don't give a fuck what they call it (and I still call her my girlfriend) but the freely available legally binding contract that merges the assets of two people and gives them full shared custody over their children as well a bunch of other legal rights and duties is actually kinda important to us.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You know, you could have all of that without a piece of government paper.  I know, ever since the government co-opted the authority on marriage, it is hard to imagine it any other way, but for millennia it has been other ways.

[Plu]

You know, you could have all of that without a piece of government paper.

And still have them for free, easy, standardised and entirely legally binding? Then I'm all for it.

[Johan]

You know, you could have all of that without a piece of government paper.  I know, ever since the government co-opted the authority on marriage, it is hard to imagine it any other way, but for millennia it has been other ways.

There are over 1100 legal rights and privileges which are granted to married couples that are not granted to non-married couples. If you don't want the government to be in the business of a granting marriage licenses, then all of those legal benefits of marriage would also have to go away and/or be granted to everyone. I don't want to live in a world where my wife isn't able to tell medical staff on my behalf that I want to be on life support. I also don't want to live in a world where some chick I slept with twice can identify herself as my girlfriend and be legally able to tell medical staff that I don't want to be on life support.

Government needs to be involved with marriage licensing or all the legal privileges of marriage go away.

[Nonsensei]

An article in NYT today said a number of justices are questioning whether or not the court should even have agreed to hear the case. Theres a chance this will get thrown out before any deliberation even happens.

[hillbillyatheist]

the question they should ask themselves is "do I want to go down on the right side of history, or as a chickenshit?"

[SvZurich]

HBA, Republicans are proud to be Chickenshit.  Look at their overall stance on issues in history since the 1970s.

[Brian37]

Freedom of speech was achieved when government was removed from speech.
Freedom of the press was achieved when government was removed from the press.
Freedom of religion was achieved when government was removed from religion.
I'm for freedom of marriage - how do you suppose that can best be achieved?

You need to take your hyper Libertarian bologna somewhere else. Seriously you want to see what "limited" government looks like Somalia would be your cup of tea, centralized wealth in the hands of the few because of no regulation.

Please stop sniffing the glue of Ayn Rand.

You "You are anti car because we have speed limits", that is how idiotic your logic is.

"Freedom of the press" Always? So can I sell porn at a grade school? Can I sell beer to a 4 year old?

The only thing about marriage licenses I object to is they are TOO easy to get, just like guns. People get into them and have no damned clue how to manage them and often it blows up in their face.