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Offline pr126 (OP)

Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« on: April 15, 2016, 10:39:15 AM »
Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
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Why has Islam been able to grow at such an unprecedented pace in Europe, and why has it been allowed to do so practically unchallenged? There are many reasons for this, but one contributing factor that has facilitated this rapid growth has been the decision to artificially divide the religion into two opposing philosophies with completely different goals and values, which has transformed it into an ideological version of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. By firmly dividing its adherents (Muslims) into two distinct camps — the extremists who are alleged to be misusing their religion and who only constitute a tiny minority, and the moderates who ostensibly represent the majority and who strongly opposes the extremists — Islam has managed to establish a defence that is almost impenetrable, and that has fostered an environment in which meaningless terms such as Islamophobia are actually given credence.

This clever distinction, which has in effect divided Islam into a moderate and an extreme form, has ensured that it can continue to grow unabated and without being properly challenged, as any terrorist attack committed by its members can be blamed on the extremists and thus also used as an argument to exonerate the moderates. It’s a form of classification or “branding taqiyya” that has served the religion well, and given it a solid argument that it can rely upon no matter what type of hurdle or obstacle that is being thrown in its way.

The mainstream media and the political classes have deliberately failed to call Islam by its proper name and actively undermined any serious attempts to scrutinize and expose the ideology for what it really is. As a result, the majority of the blame for the very precarious situation that Europe finds itself in these days has to be put squarely on their shoulders. These two powerful groups have been able to control public discourse and sway public opinion through the extensive use of lies and propaganda. Crucial facts that could have altered the course have been deliberately downplayed, and in many cases outright ignored. Unpalatable events have been omitted. The job responsibilities of the MSM and the politicians have largely been transformed into those of campaigners who pay lip service to such things as truth and accuracy — values that actually used to matter in the past. The absence of an in-depth analysis of Islam’s doctrines, its history and its stated goals for the future have left ordinary people blissfully unaware of the dangers that this ideology represents, and only now when Islam has seriously started to flex its muscles are they beginning to wake up from their political-correctness-induced slumber.
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Online Baruch

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2016, 01:37:07 PM »
Europe wanted to be all socialist and PC ... and the ME and African folks take advantage of that.  Don't blame people for taking advantage of a good deal ... offer them a lesser deal.
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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2016, 12:55:37 AM »
Europe wanted to be all socialist and PC ... and the ME and African folks take advantage of that.  Don't blame people for taking advantage of a good deal ... offer them a lesser deal.
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.

You knew that, didn't you?


It is easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled. - Mark Twain

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2016, 02:09:45 AM »
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.

You knew that, didn't you?
Bullshit. "The ruling class" of brussels is democratically vited for politicians. Nothing stops you from being part of that "ruling class" except your iwn lazyness and egoism.

Online Baruch

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2016, 08:16:51 AM »
The European people have no say in the decisions of their ruling class in Brussels.
Just like the American people have no say what their ruling class decides in DC.

You knew that, didn't you?

In the US, we don't get to vote for SCOTUS candidates.  But if you don't like your anti-democratic system, then you need American Revolution (tm) ... not sold at stores.
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Offline Munch

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 03:00:04 PM »


I love how at the end he said how he upgraded to the new universal operating system, logic. I think I'll use that in a debate against a theist next time.

Offline reasonist

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2016, 03:21:58 PM »
There is no such thing as 'moderate' or 'extremist' Muslim. The mainstream Muslims are cherry pickers, just like the Christians, the fundamentalists are literalists, adhering to their dogma. Unless Islam is "reformed", the saga will continue. Fat chance for that without papacy. I am waiting for the day when the mainstream Muslims are in the streets en mass protesting the fundies. Unlikely as well. The only way to change things for the better is education from early childhood on.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities
Voltaire

Offline Shiranu

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2016, 03:51:53 PM »
Ooo... a two-for thread! Anti-Muslim and Pro-Brexit/"Overlords in Brussels!".

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Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2016, 04:59:13 PM »
I haven't had a chance to read the article yet but I'm always hesitant to invest in reading a detailed article that someone posts anonymously. If the writer isn't invested enough to stand behind his or her words why should I invest my time and take the writer seriously, particularly when the argument is an appeal to being honest and transparent.

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Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2016, 11:32:14 PM »
Is there a need to repeat the praises endlessly for the moderate Christian or the moderate Jew, or the moderate Hindu, or the moderate Buddhist, or the moderate _________________ fill in your own version of mass delusion.

So why just the "moderate" Muslims only?  Are they making any change? Are they really that useful?
It is easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled. - Mark Twain

Online Baruch

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2016, 11:11:37 AM »
There are no moderates in politics.  Christianity has never been reformed, just ask those buggered by priests.  Jewish rabbis are caught committing crimes too.

Your answer should be ... Kill Everyone, Let G-d Sort It Out.  Worked for the Albigensian Crusade.  BTW .. to be European, is to be Catholic or Protestant.  Which one are you?  If not, you are a divisive immigrant, right?
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Offline Munch

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2016, 07:19:35 PM »
When you really get down to it, 'moderate' muslims being people who only practice certain things from the qu'ran, these people must be fully aware of the insane shit that the qu'ran tells them to believe, so have tried to pretend to ignore it, kind of like a redneck papa trying to get his five year old son to shoot a bird with his gun.

They know their religion is fucked up, but they can't accept leaving it, so just cherry pick.

Heres a good series of facts about the qu'ran, from an ex-muslim, who became atheist when he studied it fully.



Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2016, 12:30:20 AM »
@Munch
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Heres a good series of facts about the qu'ran, from an ex-muslim, who became atheist when he studied it fully.

There in lies the problem I think, it is easy to the drink kool-aid however it is infinitely harder to un-drink it.

I prefer Cal Sagan's version, if God was a creator then who created God?, If the Big Bang created the universe then what created the big bang?, what came before them?. The flawed argument would seem to be one and the same converging towards a singular point in which something was born from nothing. I prefer a more subtle approach in knowing that I do not know and it may be that nothing has ever been truly created or destroyed.

It was an entertaining video... mean while we continue to hurl through the cosmos at some 2.19 million miles per hour towards the constellation Orion.

 
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Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2016, 01:29:09 AM »
Can a muslim who believes in death for apostasy or death for homosexuals be considered moderate or does the term moderate muslim only apply to those who aren't suicidal and homicidal?

Offline pr126 (OP)

Re: Why the Term “Moderate Muslim” is an Oxymoron
« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2016, 10:02:46 AM »
Can a muslim who believes in death for apostasy or death for homosexuals be considered moderate or does the term moderate muslim only apply to those who aren't suicidal and homicidal?
Any Muslim who does not presently do Qital is deemed a moderate by the media.
There are many forms of jihad, one of them is qital, which is the most important one.

The root q-t-l (qital or qatala), the meaning of which is much more narrow or restricted: slaying, killing, fighting, warring, and slaughtering.

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The purpose of jihad and qital is tied to making Islam prevail over all other religions, and that goal is the perfect definition of a holy war.
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It is easier to fool people than convince them that they have been fooled. - Mark Twain