Doing the wrong thing just because....

[surly74]

I filter all information, consider the source, varify the data by independent means disregard what is propaganda and hype and use what is fact before I act on anything.

I bet you don't.  How do you have the time?

If I tried to independently verify every fact that came my way I'd have very little time to do anything else.

I don't filter my information.  I have Jason for that.
 :rollin:

(cause he's da best - dats why)

I have biases for that. Saves me alot of time.

[mykcob4]

Propaganda preys on fear. If people hear things that confirm that fear, truth becomes moot. Fear is justified by others, and amplified. Obama, the Muslim, Marxist, Kenyan, is going to take away our guns, leaving us defenseless against his agenda to make us a socialist country. Many people live in this delusion. Labor unions hurt workers, and America, because they force kind, benevolent corporations to pay people living wages. This is also believed by many, because it offers an explanation, true or not, that sounds reasonable to people who are looking for an answer that fits into their belief system. Nobody wants their beliefs called out as wrong.

I think this nonsense about Obama attacking Constitutional Rights is just one illustration of what I am talking about. The crap doled out about Obama being Kenyan, being a Marxist a socialist, the nanny state, the lunacy about Unions hurting workers and being corrupt is all crap designed to panic the morons that buy into it.

[mykcob4]

Medically address the psychological phenomenon?  So you want to medically "treat" people who disagree with you eh?  I'm not surprised after reading some of your other posts.  I actually agree with you on some issues and not on others. Do I get a half dose?  Seriously, you're not helping you side of any argument with calls for doping people.  I'm still not sure you're not a POE.  If you're not, you're a good reason for your neighbors to own weapons.

I didn't call for doping anyone, that is obviously YOUR idea.
I am not interested in forcing people to agree with me, that again is YOUR assumption.
There is a deeper problem here that YOU are missing.
The problem is and the question is, why are people suseptible to propaganda to the point that they will act against their own interest? Is it truely a medical condition? Can it be identified and or treated?
This has nothing to do with ME or my point of view on issues. It has everything to do with mass hysteria and illogical irrational behavior by those hymotized by outlandish propaganda.

So what the hell does medically address the psychological phenomenon mean then?
Your post indicates that you are able to determine what is in the best interest of people you don't know and when they are not acting in their best interest.  
You say this doesn't have anything to do with you or your point of view on issues yet you say:

It has everything to do with mass hysteria and illogical irrational behavior by those hymotized by outlandish propaganda.

It's as if you simply cannot fathom how anyone could disagree with you on guns and unions in this instance without having some kind of psychological problems.

Oh bullshit hillbilly. I didn't in any way say that I am the judge of anything. My post didn't indicate such nonsense either. Obviously you can't grasp the real issue here. It isn't about differences of opinion. It is about people acting against their own interest. About people reacting to on mass to blatant propaganda and misinformation counter to their best interest. About people foresaking logic and critical thought for some obvious lie and acting in favor of that lie. It doesn't have to be about guns or Unions. Take Global Warming. For 50 years REAL scientist have told us that manmade pollution was excellorating warming beyond a natural normal cycle and that we needed to act to counter the damage that we created. The propagandist introduced a huge smear campaign filled with pseudo-science crap and in general the population bought into the lie and not the facts. They acted against their own best interest and now we have a runaway weather system. It isn't about "opinions" least of all MY opinions. It is about facts!
So don't hand me your crap and again try and make this thread all about me. Take a look at the core of the issue I am addressing on this thread. I am NOT debating issues. I am exposing a phenomenon! Get that through your thick head!

[mykcob4]

I filter all information, consider the source, varify the data by independent means disregard what is propaganda and hype and use what is fact before I act on anything.

I bet you don't.  How do you have the time?

If I tried to independently verify every fact that came my way I'd have very little time to do anything else.

I make time. That is not to say that I spend hours researching everything, but before I act I make sure my facts are right.

[mykcob4]

How convenient for you that the people who disagree with you happened to have been influenced by propaganda and therefore qualify as having a medical condition.  The supreme court took a differing view of the 2nd amendment btw.  Have they been propagandized and need medical treatment too?

How convenient for you that you can just ignore the real issue here and stupidly try and make this a personnal rant fest.

[mykcob4]

I'm pretty sure most of the people buying up guns and ammo have thought quite a bit about what they're doing and feel it is in their best interest to do so. Just because you don't understand it or agree with it does not mean they have some sort of medical problem.

I doubt that you are correct. None of my neighbors that went out and bought guns gave it much thought at all

And you know that how exactly?

Because I asked them!

[surly74]

Oh bullshit hillbilly. I didn't in any way say that I am the judge of anything. My post didn't indicate such nonsense either. Obviously you can't grasp the real issue here. It isn't about differences of opinion. It is about people acting against their own interest. About people reacting to on mass to blatant propaganda and misinformation counter to their best interest. About people foresaking logic and critical thought for some obvious lie and acting in favor of that lie. It doesn't have to be about guns or Unions. Take Global Warming. For 50 years REAL scientist have told us that manmade pollution was excellorating warming beyond a natural normal cycle and that we needed to act to counter the damage that we created. The propagandist introduced a huge smear campaign filled with pseudo-science crap and in general the population bought into the lie and not the facts. They acted against their own best interest and now we have a runaway weather system. It isn't about "opinions" least of all MY opinions. It is about facts!
So don't hand me your crap and again try and make this thread all about me. Take a look at the core of the issue I am addressing on this thread. I am NOT debating issues. I am exposing a phenomenon! Get that through your thick head!

You say you aren't the judge of anything yet continue to say people act against their own best interests. Who are you to decide what is in the best interests of people? And where does it stop.

BTW, we don't have a runaway weather system. There is evidence that what we are doing as a species isn't good but it's not runaway. Runaway means its no longer in our hands and irreversable.

[Johan]

Because I asked them!

Ah that solves it then. No other possibility. They clearly purchased guns with absolutely no idea why they were doing it. Sounds plausible to me. They were mindless zombies and were powerless to their own actions. I can certainly see why they should be medicated.

[mykcob4]

Oh bullshit hillbilly. I didn't in any way say that I am the judge of anything. My post didn't indicate such nonsense either. Obviously you can't grasp the real issue here. It isn't about differences of opinion. It is about people acting against their own interest. About people reacting to on mass to blatant propaganda and misinformation counter to their best interest. About people foresaking logic and critical thought for some obvious lie and acting in favor of that lie. It doesn't have to be about guns or Unions. Take Global Warming. For 50 years REAL scientist have told us that manmade pollution was excellorating warming beyond a natural normal cycle and that we needed to act to counter the damage that we created. The propagandist introduced a huge smear campaign filled with pseudo-science crap and in general the population bought into the lie and not the facts. They acted against their own best interest and now we have a runaway weather system. It isn't about "opinions" least of all MY opinions. It is about facts!
So don't hand me your crap and again try and make this thread all about me. Take a look at the core of the issue I am addressing on this thread. I am NOT debating issues. I am exposing a phenomenon! Get that through your thick head!

You say you aren't the judge of anything yet continue to say people act against their own best interests. Who are you to decide what is in the best interests of people? And where does it stop.

BTW, we don't have a runaway weather system. There is evidence that what we are doing as a species isn't good but it's not runaway. Runaway means its no longer in our hands and irreversable.

If someone or a group of people act against their best interest is not an opinion it's a fact. I am not deciding, I am pointing out that fact. And yes we have a runnaway weather system according to the national weather service and every credible scientist concerning weather. The best we can hope for is that the Earth will correct the weather before it gets too bad. It is out of our hands. All we can do is not compile the problem.

[mykcob4]

Because I asked them!

Ah that solves it then. No other possibility. They clearly purchased guns with absolutely no idea why they were doing it. Sounds plausible to me. They were mindless zombies and were powerless to their own actions. I can certainly see why they should be medicated.

Look goofball. What I said was that they reacted and yes that reaction was mindless. They bought a bunch of guns because FOX, Rush, and the rest of the Hitler youth told them that the socialist government was going to show up at their door and take their guns away.
If you think that these people actually took the time to THINK, way the virtues and cons of buying guns, then you are completely and utterly wrong. Lapierre starting ranting his bullshit and boom millions of guns were sold. Not just self defense weapons or hunting weapons, but mainly assualt rifles and high capacity magazines, AMMO like teflon tipped armor piercing Rhino rounds.
You making childish comments about it illustrates the problem here. I never suggested that people be medicated in the first place. That is YOUR exageration and trivilizing the issue. So grow up or shut up!

[surly74]

first thing, show me one link from a credible weather service or scientist that says we are in a runaway green house effect because that's what it would be. That is irreversible. A runaway cold earth is technically recoverable but you are talking tens of millions of years. we aren't going in that direction. To get a runaway green house effect the ice sheets would have to be melted.

I can give you a credible source that we aren't there yet (multiple actually) but if we continue that is certainly a possibility. Runaway means the process is slanted so far that it cannot be contained and the natural environment cannot correct itself. The natural environment is self regulating when it comes to carbon dioxide and how much is in the environment. I haven't seen a consensus that says we are.

having said that, that is in the earth's best interest and society as a whole, which is different from individual best interest. when it comes to fossil fuels the two contradict. Have you given up your car? stopped using public transportation that burns FF's? I certainly haven't but am I acting against my best interest? the need to get to work? to pay my bills?

[surly74]

You making childish comments about it illustrates the problem here. I never suggested that people be medicated in the first place. That is YOUR exageration and trivilizing the issue. So grow up or shut up!

If we could medically address the psychological phenomenon we could actually cure some deep seat social ills.

don't throw stones...

[aitm]

Runaway means its no longer in our hands and irreversable.

 :-k  

we can control the weather?  summabitch...

[surly74]

Runaway means its no longer in our hands and irreversable.

 :-k  

we can control the weather?  summabitch...

not yet. but if emissions are curtailed we can bring equalibrium back to where the planet can self regulate. back to where there is a natural thermostat.

[Plu]

we can control the weather? summabitch...

Yeah, didn't you know? We use large batteries of gay men having sex to summon tornadoes.