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Chicago Trump Rally Cancelled

Started by chill98, March 11, 2016, 09:18:39 PM

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chill98

Interesting events going on in chicago.  An embarrassing reflection on chicago and university students.

http://abc7chicago.com/politics/donald-trump-cancels-uic-rally/1241331/

Some may applaud the disruption of a political rally by people who are against this particular candidate.  I am not one of them.

As I consider the unfolding event, cancellation, and coordinated effort by students to prevent a legitimate Republican candidate from holding an event, counter to all the principals of democracy and elections.

I mean reverse the events.  Sanders spoke at Liberty university and was NOT treated with any disrespect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3qT4qMeLxU

Shiranu

Quote...a legitimate Republican candidate...

That is questionable even amongst mainstream Republicans.

Would you feel the same way if the Grand whatever (wizard?) of the KKK was to give a speech and it got interrupted? What about the late Phelps asshole?

It's a slippery slope, but I see nothing wrong with shunning hate-mongerers from the limelight. They do far more damage when you give them credibility then when you let them only preach to their flock.
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stromboli

Might be of note that the protesters outnumbered the supporters. And as far as whether it was appropriate or not, Trump's followers have initiated violence against protesters and been a pretty nasty bunch themselves, so I'd say the response might be considered as done in kind to what preceded it. 

I don't agree with it because I personally have been caught in the middle of a race fueled melee and it wasn't pretty.

TomFoolery

Yeah, I've watched videos of Trump rallies. They often go like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngeORuhnajc

I've never heard tell of anyone acting like this at a Sanders rally or speaking engagement. So maybe it's not quite apples and oranges, but I don't think you can compare. If Trump wants to be treated seriously as a candidate, he should act like a serious candidate.
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

chill98

Quote from: Shiranu on March 11, 2016, 09:22:33 PM
That is questionable even amongst mainstream Republicans.

Would you feel the same way if the Grand whatever (wizard?) of the KKK was to give a speech and it got interrupted? What about the late Phelps asshole?

It's a slippery slope, but I see nothing wrong with shunning hate-mongerers from the limelight. They do far more damage when you give them credibility then when you let them only preach to their flock.

Nothing you post is relevant to the issue as unfolding.  A Red Herring response.  Trump is not the leader of the KKK and the grand dragon (afaik) has never attempted to be nominated by the Republican party. 

I don't think you have actually listened to anything trump has said, relying on 'other sources' for your opinion forming.

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/donald-trumps-craziest-quotes-the-2016-presidential-hopeful-speaks-201568

http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/blogs/550112/donald-trump-quotes.html

TomFoolery

Quote from: chill98 on March 11, 2016, 10:10:29 PM
Nothing you post is relevant to the issue as unfolding.  A Red Herring response.  Trump is not the leader of the KKK and the grand dragon (afaik) has never attempted to be nominated by the Republican party. 

True, Trump is not the leader of the KKK, but that doesn't mean he acts like a decent person and often neither do his followers. Last I checked, people didn't act that way at Liberty University when Sanders spoke. They may not have greeted him with open arms, but they were respectful, and Sanders was respectful back to them. People at Trump rallies often end quickly devolve into witchcraft-era hysteria, and things have often gotten out of hand, sometimes incited by Trump himself:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/22/politics/donald-trump-black-lives-matter-protester-confrontation/
http://winningdemocrats.com/trump-tells-crowd-to-steal-coats-from-protesters-before-throwing-them-out-in-the-cold-video/

So when it comes to a Trump rally being cancelled over security concerns, all I can say is "you reap what you sow."
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Draconic Aiur

Quote from: TomFoolery on March 11, 2016, 10:22:25 PM
So when it comes to a Trump rally being cancelled over security concerns, all I can say is "you reap what you sow."

Yes Sir!

chill98

Quote from: stromboli on March 11, 2016, 09:48:57 PM
Might be of note that the protesters outnumbered the supporters. And as far as whether it was appropriate or not, Trump's followers have initiated violence against protesters and been a pretty nasty bunch themselves, so I'd say the response might be considered as done in kind to what preceded it. 

I don't agree with it because I personally have been caught in the middle of a race fueled melee and it wasn't pretty.

Link to that information please.

The reporter says " As many as 10,000 people in building with several thousand... what rally organizers realized was several thousand of those people PERHAPS were anti-Trump protesters... waiting to disrupt the rally... 

Are you jumping to conclusions via your own personal bias regarding Trump?

I mean, I don't like Trump, never have. But I think these protesters as just as big of an asshole as I think pro-lifers who show up at Clinton rally's are.  How Dare they try to shut down Clinton's free speech (as an example).

I look forward to the Hillary/Trump debate more than a Sanders/Trump debates. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bill-history-1.3393395

stromboli

#8
Quote from: chill98 on March 11, 2016, 10:36:07 PM
Link to that information please.

The reporter says " As many as 10,000 people in building with several thousand... what rally organizers realized was several thousand of those people PERHAPS were anti-Trump protesters... waiting to disrupt the rally... 

Are you jumping to conclusions via your own personal bias regarding Trump?

I mean, I don't like Trump, never have. But I think these protesters as just as big of an asshole as I think pro-lifers who show up at Clinton rally's are.  How Dare they try to shut down Clinton's free speech (as an example).

I look forward to the Hillary/Trump debate more than a Sanders/Trump debates. 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bill-history-1.3393395


The "link" was a picture in a tweet that I could not post on here that showed the supporters on one side and the protesters on the other. Protesters visibly outnumbered the on the other. Might have been erroneous, but visually it looked that way to me. Here is the article with the picture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-rally-chicago_us_56e366ece4b0b25c9182176f?12a9k9

Note: even if I'm wrong, the number of protesters was significant. Something like equal numbers even so.

Shiranu

#9
QuoteNothing you post is relevant to the issue as unfolding.  A Red Herring response.  Trump is not the leader of the KKK and the grand dragon (afaik) has never attempted to be nominated by the Republican party. 

No, but if you read what I actually wrote I said that hate mongerers should not be given limelight; what do the KKK, Phelps and Donald share? They are hate mongerers. Only a Red Herring if you want to ignore what I actually said.

No shit I don't think he is part of the KKK.

QuoteI don't think you have actually listened to anything trump has said, relying on 'other sources' for your opinion forming.



Racism against 34.6 million Americans.



Calling for anyone who doesn't worship like him to be banned from entering the country and that the ones here are likely violent terrorists in waiting.



Saying that we should commit fucking war crimes.





Yeah. Not a hate mongering man who is preaching racism and committing war crimes. Glad I actually listened to his words rather than reading his words, really changed my opinion on him. Seems like a standup guy.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Shiranu

Poor victim, this Trump guy.

6:40ish+



Trump is calling for MORE of this...



No, fuck Trump, fuck his supporters and fuck his little circle jerk rallies. Cry me a river that, "Oh his poor freedom of speech to incite violence is being infringed on it's just as terrible as interrupting a peaceful rally!".

Nah, fuck that.
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Baruch

#12
Quote from: Draconic Aiur on March 11, 2016, 10:27:46 PM
Yes Sir!

This is what gets the Brown Shirt security fighting the Red security in Weimar Germany.  Frankly I would be happy if all the Republicans and Democrats were sterilized ... for eugenics' sake ... so the master race of Independents aren't contaminated with inferior politics ;-))

See, just like the 1960s.  Suppose y'all will be fighting in the streets of the conventions, like it was 1968.  But people are really pissed this time ... this time the universities will be shut down permanently.  We can get well behaved engineering and business graduates from China, thank you very much.

Shiranu ... I like most of what you post ... but including Bill Cosby?  Really??
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chill98

Quote from: stromboli on March 11, 2016, 10:42:47 PM
The "link" was a picture in a tweet that I could not post on here that showed the supporters on one side and the protesters on the other. Protesters visibly outnumbered the on the other. Might have been erroneous, but visually it looked that way to me. Here is the article with the picture.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-rally-chicago_us_56e366ece4b0b25c9182176f?12a9k9

Note: even if I'm wrong, the number of protesters was significant. Something like equal numbers even so.
From your link; the Huffington Post :

The network [CNN] said approximately 8,500 people were at the rally (I am assuming this is inside based on the numbers estimated in my link [ABC7 chicago] and yours).

An estimated 2,000 protesters had already gathered in a designated zone just outside the pavilion when doors to the rally opened at 3 p.m.

So no, it does not seem equally divided.  But it shouldn't be.  There should be many less than 2000 protesters at a Trump rally, even given that there is always the oddball.   Trump gets to have his rally in Illinois for his supporters.  He has not been elected yet, but he does have the right to campaign.

QUOTE from new link below (nov 2015):
The man was holding a sign that said “Yes Ms. Clinton, It does make a difference” when he was escorted out. That sign was apparently in reference to her testimony before Congress in January of 2013 regarding the September 11 attacks in Benghazi that left four Americans dead.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/11/17/man-holding-protest-sign-removed-from-clinton-event-in-dallas/

Different day different event (october 2015):

Protesters with the Black Lives Matters movement interrupted a Hillary Clinton rally in Atlanta on Friday, where she planned to unveil her criminal justice reform plan.

The protesters were eventually removed from the rally.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/258704-black-lives-matter-protesters-interrupt-hillary-rally

Bill's rally for his wife (feb 2016):

As security guards moved in to escort the man away, the audience cried "shut up" and "get him out," the State newspaper reported.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/watch-bill-clinton-spars-protesting-marine-rally-article-1.2545846




AllPurposeAtheist

Fuck Trump. He brings this all upon himself. I wouldn't mind if every one of his rallies had to be cancelled.
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