Author Topic: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion  (Read 2395 times)

Offline Baruch

Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2016, 06:45:56 AM »
Key word here being "imagine."

How can a kaiju connoisseur be uncomfortable with imagination ;-)
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Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2016, 07:49:00 AM »
Magic and the miraculous are entirely two different things. God is supernatural and not supermagical.
That's a "special pleading". "I don't believe in magic, but my god is NOT magic!" Magic is the only way to explain a god or gods.
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Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2016, 09:04:44 AM »
How can a kaiju connoisseur be uncomfortable with imagination ;-)
Because our Lord and Lizard actually exists, as you know.


Offline Solomon Zorn

Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2016, 07:07:27 AM »
Magic and the miraculous are entirely two different things. God is supernatural and not supermagical.
Quote from: Vocabulary.com
Supernatural comes from the Latin word supernaturalis, meaning beyond nature. The adjective form of supernatural describes anything that pertains to or is caused by something that can't be explained by the laws of nature.
If "supernatural" is "beyond nature," then "supermagical" would be "beyond magical." So your statement that God is NOT "beyond magic" is true. He is, in fact, "magical." But then I'm pretty sure that's not what you meant to say. You meant to say that God is not "magical."

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MAGIC

Noun:
1. The power of apparently influencing the course of events by using mysterious or supernatural forces
God uses magic. And if not magic then by what mechanism do his thoughts become actions? The Bible tells us he said, "Let there be light" and there was light. By what impetus, other than his magic Word, can he cause anything to happen?
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Offline josephpalazzo

Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2016, 11:41:35 AM »

God uses magic. And if not magic then by what mechanism do his thoughts become actions? The Bible tells us he said, "Let there be light" and there was light. By what impetus, other than his magic Word, can he cause anything to happen?

Well Einstein said, "E=mc2", and then somebody built a nuclear bomb - that's magic... just sayin'...

Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2016, 10:30:04 AM »
Perhaps not in the modern age where we have gained a significant amount of knowledge. But religion is ubiquitous. People in ancient times were religious likely because it gave them closure and comfort.
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2016, 12:05:27 PM »
Atheism has nothing to do with religion. It is a position of being neutral to the idea of a creator; a supernatural source for life. Religion is the set of rules and regulations built around the idea of creator(s) according to cultures that developed in time. 

Is being neutral to anything comes natural to humans? No, it is not. It requires enlightement, it requires knowledge. It requires the linguistic, philosophical, scientific discourse.


There is no atheism 200 years ago, let alone in the ancient world.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2016, 02:19:27 PM »
Tolerance requires humility, something humans are short of.

Acceptance requires a sense of humor, often missing with posters here.
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Re: Atheism As Natural To Humans As Religion
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2016, 07:11:26 PM »
I really enjoyed the book Doubt: A History, by Jennifer Michael Hecht. She shows that, indeed, atheists and other doubters have been around for a very long time.
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