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Started by josephpalazzo, January 17, 2016, 05:03:51 AM

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QuoteComets can’t explain weird ‘alien megastructure’ star after all

The weirdest star in the cosmos just got a lot weirder. And yes, it might be aliens.

Known as KIC 8462852, or Tabby’s star, it has been baffling astronomers for the past few months after a team of researchers noticed its light seemed to be dipping in brightness in bizarre ways. Proposed explanations ranged from a cloud of comets to orbiting “alien megastructures”.

Now an analysis of historical observations reveals the star has been gradually dimming for over a century, leaving everyone scratching their heads as to the cause. The first signs of this space oddity came from NASA’s planet-hunting Kepler space telescope, which continually watched the star’s region of the sky between 2009 and 2013. Most planet-hosting stars show small, regular dips in light when their planets pass in front of them. But Tabby’s star dipped erratically throughout the four years, sometimes losing as much as 20 per cent of its brightness.

Space oddity

In September, a team led by Tabetha Boyajian of Yale University, who lends the star its informal name, tried to make sense of this unusual signal. Ultimately they determined that dust from a large cloud of comets was the best explanation.

A month later, the star made headlines across the globe thanks to a paper by Jason Wright of Pennsylvania State University and his colleagues, who suggested that “alien megastructures”, such as satellites designed to collect light from the star, could be responsible for the signal.

Now Bradley Schaefer of Louisiana State University has discovered that the mystery goes even further. When Boyajian’s team studied the star, they looked at data from a Harvard University archive of digitally scanned photographic plates of the sky from the past century or so to see if the star had behaved unusually in the past, but found nothing.

Schaefer decided this unusual star deserved a second look. He averaged the data in five-year bins to look for slow, long-term trends, and found that the star faded by about 20 per cent between 1890 and 1989. “The basic effect is small and not obvious,” he says.

Starman

To confirm the fade was real, Schaefer went to Harvard to look at the original photographic plates and inspected them by eye for changes, a skill few astronomers possess these days. “Since no one uses photographic plates any more, it’s basically a lost art,” says Wright. “Schaefer is an expert at this stuff.”

Schaefer saw the same century-long dimming in his manual readings, and calculated that it would require 648,000 comets, each 200 kilometres wide, to have passed by the star â€" completely implausible, he says. “The comet-family idea was reasonably put forth as the best of the proposals, even while acknowledging that they all were a poor lot,” he says. “But now we have a refutation of the idea, and indeed, of all published ideas.”

“This presents some trouble for the comet hypothesis,” says Boyajian. “We need more data through continuous monitoring to figure out what is going on.”

What about those alien megastructures? Schafer is unconvinced. “The alien-megastructure idea runs wrong with my new observations,” he says, as he thinks even advanced aliens wouldn’t be able to build something capable of covering a fifth of a star in just a century. What’s more, such an object should radiate light absorbed from the star as heat, but the infrared signal from Tabby’s star appears normal, he says.

“I don’t know how the dimming affects the megastructure hypothesis, except that it would seem to exclude a lot of natural explanations, including comets,” says Wright. “It could be that there were just more dimming events in the past, or that astronomers were less lucky in the past and caught more dimming events in the 1980s than in the 1900s. But that seems unlikely.”

There’s no doubt KIC 8462852 is behaving strangely, so something must be responsible, says Schaefer. “Either one of our refutations has some hidden loophole, or some theorist needs to come up with some other proposal.”

Atheon

Perhaps some instability in the star itself..
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Gawdzilla Sama

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Shiranu

Shame we can't get anything close enough to get a good look... or that a good look happened years ago and there is no telling what is there now.

I hope it's not aliens... Anyone with the technology to damage stars is a little too scary for my tastes.
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Shiranu on January 17, 2016, 06:24:41 AM
Shame we can't get anything close enough to get a good look... or that a good look happened years ago and there is no telling what is there now.

I hope it's not aliens... Anyone with the technology to damage stars is a little too scary for my tastes.
Don't worry, we're well below their radar.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
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Shiranu

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 17, 2016, 06:34:06 AM
Don't worry, we're well below their radar.

Meh, never know when they will want slave labour... or exotic game to hunt and eat, maybe put our heads or penises on a plaque above the holographic fireplace.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Shiranu on January 17, 2016, 06:50:56 AM
Meh, never know when they will want slave labour[1]... or exotic game to hunt and eat,[2] maybe put our heads or penises on a plaque above the holographic fireplace.[3]
(numbers added by me.)

[1] They can engineer solar systems, they wouldn't need us.  :040:
[2] "Why alive? Do they give good sport?" (Apologies to Tolkien.)  :103:
[3] Best guess. However, they might feel intimidated if they saw my ... NVM.  :c029:

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Hijiri Byakuren

Link to the original article, please?
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TomFoolery

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 17, 2016, 06:34:06 AM
Don't worry, we're well below their radar.

Agreed. Anyone with that power and technology would make us analogous to ants by comparison.

Sure, there are assholes who occasionally step in ant piles because it's fun or poison then when they build mounds in the yard, but you know...
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: TomFoolery on January 17, 2016, 09:48:14 AM
Agreed. Anyone with that power and technology would make us analogous to ants by comparison.

Sure, there are assholes who occasionally step in ant piles because it's fun or poison then when they build mounds in the yard, but you know...
...they don't fly to Africa to do it.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

PopeyesPappy

Mega Death Star slowly charging it's weapon?
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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: PopeyesPappy on January 17, 2016, 09:55:50 AM
Mega Death Star slowly charging it's weapon?
Viral marketing for Episode VIII already?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

TomFoolery

How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Hydra009

Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on January 17, 2016, 09:41:54 AM
Link to the original article, please?
Processing...PROCESSING!  *mechanical rumbling followed by the sound of a package dropping down a metal chute*

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28786-comets-cant-explain-weird-alien-megastructure-star-after-all/

stromboli

Any theories of alien existence or potential motives to harm/enslave/otherwise do something negative- based on preconceived HUMAN ideas is premature and we cannot as yet read alien minds or project their potential future needs or desires.

We can only observe and surmise. And making the assumption that any alien race would want to cover the vast distance between-which from our present ability would require energies we are unable to apply- to enslave or meet us is also premature.

Klaatu Barada Niktu, ese. We don't know yet.