The Attack On Science At The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

Started by stromboli, January 15, 2016, 09:40:23 AM

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Gawdzilla Sama

We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Unbeliever

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Shiranu

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 15, 2016, 05:14:46 PM
The lunatics want to be martyred. They drool over another Ruby Ridge. Troops would be the worst response in this case. Disdain will infuriate them.

And making the government looking completely incapable of dealing with domestic terrorism is a better alternative?

The law is the law is the law; either we want equal treatment under it or we don't.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Unbeliever

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Shiranu

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2016, 07:54:13 PM
Aren't they just exercising their right of assembly?

No.

QuoteCongress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceablyto assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Storming a place with guns and threatening violence is hardly peaceful.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Unbeliever

So, just carrying guns (which are legal) equals a crime?
God Not Found
"There is a sucker born-again every minute." - C. Spellman

Shiranu

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2016, 08:00:55 PM
So, just carrying guns (which are legal) equals a crime?

No. However illegally occupying a federal building and threatening to shoot federal representatives does. Theft of government vehicles also counts as a crime.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/15/3740249/first-members-of-bundy-militia-arrested/

Using stolen federal vehicles to destroy government property likewise is a crime.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/15/3739909/oregon-standoff-malheur-grand-jury-explainer/

In the same link; declaring yourself above the American judicial system and establishing your own sovereign government with it's own laws is both a crime and treason.

Costing the county $70.000 a day is a crime... as is costing the federal government $63.400 a day.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/01/12/3738570/the-true-victim-of-the-bundy-occupation-is-taxpayers/

All this is doing is signaling that treason and terrorism are acceptable if you have the right complexion... as well as making the federal government appear incapable of handling things they are actually suppose to be handling. This is not a problem that is going to go away in time; these people are milking conservatives and nutjobs for donations of supplies and money while costing the federal government hundreds of thousands of dollars a week and putting good people out of work.

No... fuck them. Lets treat them like we treat any other terrorist group.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Baruch

Quote from: Shiranu on January 15, 2016, 07:46:49 PM
And making the government looking completely incapable of dealing with domestic terrorism is a better alternative?

The law is the law is the law; either we want equal treatment under it or we don't.

There is no law in the US.  And they are unmolested ... because they are agents of the State, like the boys from Chechnya.  Controlled opposition attracting the real targets.

With any luck Putin will liberate N America from the putrifying Americans ;-)
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Baruch

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2016, 08:00:55 PM
So, just carrying guns (which are legal) equals a crime?

If you carried a gun into a bank ... you should die with your boots on, like the Dalton boys.

If you don't like right-wingers ... stop supporting their billionaire backers.  For every Hitler, there is an entire industry of Krupps.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

josephpalazzo

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2016, 06:13:40 PM
They don't want a repeat of Waco, obviously. They should just be flipped the bird, and ignored, just as other protests are ignored. No need for riot gear, or tear gas, or night-sticks, or water canons, and all that stuff they also don't need in other protest situations.

I don't think of them as terrorists, as long as no one's been hurt or killed. They're just protesting in a manner that is unusual, and not gunning down civillians, or even harming the birds (I hope). Fortunately, those bird-watchers are probably keeping an eye on them.


Notwithstanding that it gives a prime example to emulate should you have a beef with the government...

Baruch

Quote from: josephpalazzo on January 16, 2016, 02:58:43 PM
Notwithstanding that it gives a prime example to emulate should you have a beef with the government...

Better so far, than the nut who flew his light plane into the Texas IRS building a few years back.
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Shiranu on January 15, 2016, 07:46:49 PM
And making the government looking completely incapable of dealing with domestic terrorism is a better alternative?

The law is the law is the law; either we want equal treatment under it or we don't.
You solution is...
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

The Skeletal Atheist

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on January 16, 2016, 04:14:37 PM
You solution is...
Close off the area. Shut down power, water, and gas. No resources in or out. They'll come out.

Sent from Hell

Some people need to be beaten with a smart stick.

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Kein Mitlied F�r Die Mehrheit!

stromboli

Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on January 16, 2016, 04:21:19 PM
Close off the area. Shut down power, water, and gas. No resources in or out. They'll come out.

Sent from Hell


But-but- out of desperation they will start killing and eating each other. Oh wait.....

The Skeletal Atheist

Quote from: Unbeliever on January 15, 2016, 08:00:55 PM
So, just carrying guns (which are legal) equals a crime?
No, but walk in a Post Office with one and see what happens.

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Some people need to be beaten with a smart stick.

Kein Mehrheit Fur Die Mitleid!

Kein Mitlied F�r Die Mehrheit!