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Offline Baruch

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2016, 10:50:53 PM »
Not native Chinese myself, but that is definitely Chinese.  The "chop marks" are the signatures of people who have owned a rare work of literature, so that would make it Classical Chinese, not Mandarin.  Structure is too paragraphed to be poetry ... so I am betting something by the Confucian school.  Most Chinese poetry comes in stanzas of 4 lines each, each line being 5 or 7 characters (syllables) long.

I think it goes like ... "In distant future, sayings from this scroll will be printed one at a time, in their millions.  Unfortunately will be too dead to collect royalties" ;-)

Perhaps "Pier 1" Dynasty ;-))
« Last Edit: January 14, 2016, 10:54:34 PM by Baruch »
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Offline Atheon

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2016, 11:56:51 PM »
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While we are all here... any one want to try to translate my thrift shop trashcan? :P



Unrelated note; it has a beautiful tone to it. It could be an instrument with how well it rings.
It's a famous poem:

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Offline Shiranu

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2016, 12:57:35 AM »
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It's a famous poem:

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Oh nice :D. Thanks.

Offline Atheon

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2016, 02:41:54 AM »
It describes one of the most well-known events in the history of Chinese poetry: the Gathering at the Orchid Pavilion. Essentially it was a group of poets playing a drinking game. Cups of wine were floated down a stream, and where they stopped, whichever poet was closest to it would have to down the cup and compose a poem on the spot. The poems were recorded and and compiled into a collection. The poem on your trash can is the preface to the collection.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2016, 07:35:40 AM »
Atheon - are you fluent in Classical Chinese?

The Chinese say about China, that poetry is their greatest art form.  Confucian texts are prose, and the 之 character I see is usually found in prose.  So, a prose work describing a poetry session?  That was one of the more courtly activities of the literati.
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Offline Atheon

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2016, 08:15:59 AM »
Not Classical Chinese... that's HARD! In some ways it's hard because grammatically and vocab-wise it's so simple that it leaves a lot up to interpretation, and good interpretation requires a lot of background knowledge of history, culture, literature, tradition, etc. Classical Chinese is packed with metaphor and vagueness. It's very different from modern Chinese, but lots of modern people like to show off by peppering their modern writing with classical or classical-like phrases.

The character 之 (often a simple possessive, but it has many other uses) is very common in classical Chinese or classical-style phrases and idioms, both in prose and poetry, but poetry is usually so terse that they leave it out where it would otherwise be included. For the most part, in modern Chinese, its function has been replaced by 的 (which also has its own range of uses).
« Last Edit: January 15, 2016, 08:18:07 AM by Atheon »
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Offline doorknob

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2016, 08:33:33 AM »
wow impressive

Offline Baruch

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2016, 08:33:28 PM »
Atheon ... I am not doing Mandarin right now ... but if I get back into it, and have questions, I know who to ask.

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Offline doorknob

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2016, 05:36:32 PM »
finally all the books I ordered came! yay! I was so excited I could barely contain myself. Now I can tackle translating things. I'm starting with the simple looking things. Like small sentences.

Wish me luck!

Offline Baruch

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2016, 08:27:02 PM »
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finally all the books I ordered came! yay! I was so excited I could barely contain myself. Now I can tackle translating things. I'm starting with the simple looking things. Like small sentences.

Wish me luck!

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« Last Edit: January 19, 2016, 08:29:22 PM by Baruch »
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
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Offline Hakurei Reimu

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2016, 09:48:14 PM »
"Ten thousand years"? Baruch, give doorknob some credit!  :smile2:
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Offline aitm

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2016, 09:54:02 PM »
ixnay on the uckingfay apanesepay anguagelay...
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Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2016, 06:33:20 AM »
What do you do with japanese?
There is no use...

Offline doorknob

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2016, 02:59:06 PM »
I find japanese to be very useful in my life. Translating is one example but I also like to impress and confuse people by blurting out appropriate japanese phrases at the correct situation. You'd be surprised how many people are some what or even minutely knowledgeable about japanese. 

Learning japanese phrases is fine and sometimes on rare occasions helpful but not very useful for translating.

Offline Baruch

Re: Trying to learn japanese!
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2016, 07:09:26 PM »
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What do you do with japanese?
There is no use...

You can shout ゴジラ来ています
Zampa xiquihto.  Amo nimitzcuamachilia.
Say it again.  I don't understand you.

 

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