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Started by Jannabear, January 10, 2016, 11:50:33 PM

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Jannabear

Polygamy (Consensual)
Pretending to be raped while having sex and in pornography (Consensual)
Hurting someone while having sex and in pornography (Consensual)
All things that are extremely taboo that I support (Emphasis on the consensual parts of all of them)
Thoughts?

Baruch

Something being taboo, merely means that by tradition if not law, it is illegal to do ... or forbidden to discuss.  We have had problems on this forum with discussing pedophila for example.  That is not something the average person here feels like discussing, not even our gay members.  If you have extreme philias ... it should be discussed in the Enter The Darkness section (members only).

Personally, I don't find everything my society says is taboo, as being wrong either, consensual or not.  Being arrested isn't consensual, but it has to be done sometimes.  Similarly conspiracy is consensual, but is usually illegal.  Consensus doesn't sway me either way.  I just like or dislike certain things ... at least if I were involved with them.  I don't need society's permission to be me ... but I don't think that society is under any obligation to tolerate me either ;-)
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Jannabear

Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
Something being taboo, merely means that by tradition if not law, it is illegal to do ... or forbidden to discuss.  We have had problems on this forum with discussing pedophila for example.  That is not something the average person here feels like discussing, not even our gay members.  If you have extreme philias ... it should be discussed in the Enter The Darkness section (members only).

Personally, I don't find everything my society says is taboo, as being wrong either, consensual or not.  Being arrested isn't consensual, but it has to be done sometimes.  Similarly conspiracy is consensual, but is usually illegal.  Consensus doesn't sway me either way.  I just like or dislike certain things ... at least if I were involved with them.  I don't need society's permission to be me ... but I don't think that society is under any obligation to tolerate me either ;-)
When it comes to pedophilia I don't consider having thoughts to make you a bad person, everyone has urges, but if someone who's an adult has sex with someone 16 or under I consider that wrong, I don't think anyone below 16 can consent to sex with an adult.
Now obviously if it's a 16 and a 15 year old that's different, but 17+ with a 15 year old is fucked up.

Draconic Aiur

I could think of a fuk ton

Mr.Obvious

Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
We have had problems on this forum with discussing pedophila for example.  That is not something the average person here feels like discussing, not even our gay members.


Why Should gay people be more in inclined to discuss pedophilia?
Or perhaps i simply misunderstood what you wrote

To OP: i feel there Should be no taboo about anything, anything Should be discussable. Though everything being legal is another thing
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
- Your mum, last night, requesting 69.

Atheist Mantis does not pray.

Baruch

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on January 11, 2016, 04:02:13 AM
Why Should gay people be more in inclined to discuss pedophilia?
Or perhaps i simply misunderstood what you wrote

To OP: i feel there Should be no taboo about anything, anything Should be discussable. Though everything being legal is another thing

Misunderstanding ... "not even" ... but cisgender folks IMHO, are less likely to discuss any kind of sex.  Gays who are self outed ... are rather liberated IMHO.  That isn't to say they are more or less likely to be pedophiles.  That to me is the great lie about the Catholic priest scandal.  Where are all the priests who made out with little girls or women?
Ha’át’íísh baa naniná?
Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
What are you doing?
Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

GSOgymrat

#6
Jannabear, what is your full name and how much money did you make last year?


I find it interesting that guys will tell you their sexual interests but not their income, their physical endowment but not financial endowments.

stromboli

The pedophilia that has been "discussed" was related to one posters' desires for a younger person. In an objective sense, we (in 6 years) have not had many discussions about pedophilia. And I'm with GSO Gymrat. Why would gay people be more inclined to discuss pedophilia? Those who have been convicted of it seldom if ever identify as gay. People I'm aware of and friends with that are gay are not pedophiles, so I'm not sure what the mention of that is.

As to the other topics, we have an "enter the darkness" for members only. I don't see any reason they couldn't be discussed, but that is up to the mods. I think mostly the interest for those topics simply hasn't been shown, so not discussed. I don't have any interest, but whatever.

Youssuf Ramadan

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on January 11, 2016, 01:07:56 AM
I could think of a fuk ton

Is that bigger than a shit ton...... and is it imperial or metric?   :winkle:

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Baruch on January 11, 2016, 12:04:55 AM
  That is not something the average person here feels like discussing, not even our gay members. 

Why would our gay members be different than others in discussing pedophilia?

Homosexuality HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH with pedophilia. You could have said "...not even electricians" and it would make the same sense. 
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

We tried to talk about pedophilia when a poster said he had feelings for the girl playing in the Sia music videos and another member went as to far to threat to call FBI.

He was just expressing his feelings I guess. But I didn't react in a good way either. When an adult expresses 'love' about an 11 year old girl, you don't see it cute to talk about.

That's the thing with taboos. When someone even wants to talk about it, people reflexively react, esp. when it is about children. It's an urge. We are primates, we are programmed to protect our young from each other. I don't have kids. But it doesn't stop me from reacting violently. It instantly pushes my buttons.

I also honestly don't see what to talk about pedophilia. What is talk going to accomplish? A person comes and says "I'm pedophilic." OK. Then what? The only step forward he could go more is that 'Why not to allow pedophilic people their desire, why it is a taboo?" Is there anything else? That is the nature of the conversation.







"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

GSOgymrat

Quote from: drunkenshoe on January 11, 2016, 12:14:54 PM
Why would our gay members be different than others in discussing pedophilia?

Because gay people and pedophiles are both told their sexual attractions are immoral, unhealthy and disgusting. When I was thirteen my mother gave me a pamphlet about sex she obtain from a pediatrician and there was a chapter on the dangers of homosexuals and how they pray on boys. There was no distinction between homosexuals and pedophiles. There was no such thing as a "healthy" homosexual relationship, just as there is no healthy pedophilic relationship. There was also no internet, no other information, so gay men of my generation often grew up socially isolated thinking we were inherently sick. I'm not in anyway attracted to children (almost everyone I have ever dated has been over 30) but I understand having a sexual attraction that other people find repulsive.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: GSOgymrat on January 11, 2016, 04:47:54 PM
Because gay people and pedophiles are both told their sexual attractions are immoral, unhealthy and disgusting. When I was thirteen my mother gave me a pamphlet about sex she obtain from a pediatrician and there was a chapter on the dangers of homosexuals and how they pray on boys. There was no distinction between homosexuals and pedophiles. There was no such thing as a "healthy" homosexual relationship, just as there is no healthy pedophilic relationship. There was also no internet, no other information, so gay men of my generation often grew up socially isolated thinking we were inherently sick. I'm not in anyway attracted to children (almost everyone I have ever dated has been over 30) but I understand having a sexual attraction that other people find repulsive.

Yes, I know that. :sad2: It's disgusting.

I think I was mostly reacting to seeing it here.


"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Jannabear

The urge itself isn't wrong, but having sex with someone younger then 16 is in my eyes.

doorknob

Well taboo is subjective to the times. Perhaps some day those subjects will be discussed openly.

I personally see nothing wrong with being open as asking for help as in with pedophilia is better than acting on a desire out of extreme desperation. Same with rape. Prevent the rape and we will have less victims. Not to mention less jail birds. How can we do that if asking for help gets you in more trouble than just committing the crime?