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States' rights?
« on: March 20, 2013, 11:09:59 AM »
Here's an instance where that argument really falls apart.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/s ... ?hpt=hp_c1
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How does it make sense that a couple's love for each other would be recognized by one state and mocked in another? For lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, the United States has turned into a complicated mess of 50 Americas -- most of which discriminate against them.

For what other group -- with the possible exception of pregnant women seeking abortions -- are state borders so important? If you're Jewish or tall or Christian or black or fat or old or poor or sad ... your fundamental rights as a human don't change if you drive from the panhandle of Idaho, where same-sex marriage is banned, into Washington state, where it's legal, or from the yellow plains of West Texas, where employees can be fired because of their sexual orientation, to New Mexico, where LGBT workers are protected from institutionalized bigotry.
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Offline the_antithesis

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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 11:30:58 AM »
I would have thought that that little event known as the civil war would have shown that states don't have right to treat people like they aren't human beings.

Offline SGOS

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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 11:32:04 AM »

Re: States' rights?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 11:52:56 AM »
The thing with states' rights is that in a lot of cases the people in state legislatures are far dumber and more corrupt than Congress. The House is bad enough when some twit from a gerrymandered hick district gets elected, but Jim Bob from around the corner can get elected in podunk county, and it's rare to know much of anything about state level candidates other than seeing their signs around town unless you look up a voter guide. A great many people make those votes based on literally zero knowledge of any of the candidates, so I'm sure most just vote party lines.
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Offline stromboli

Re: States' rights?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 11:56:27 AM »
So I can get a concealed carry permit in Utah and have it recognized in most other states, but Gay marriage isn't.
This is just homophobia, no common sense attached. We do have 50 Americas. My daughter lives in Colorado, and she tells me she would never move back to Utah. The differences just crossing a state line are amazing.

Offline the_antithesis

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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 12:01:50 PM »
Quote from: "SGOS"

I guess originally it was supposed to be not one country but thirteen countries that were loosely affiliated. This proved problematic, which is why we have a federal government.

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« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2013, 02:16:09 PM »
Quote from: "the_antithesis"
Quote from: "SGOS"

I guess originally it was supposed to be not one country but thirteen countries that were loosely affiliated. This proved problematic, which is why we have a federal government.

Something tells me if we were to scrap the Constitution and go back to the Articles of Confederation we'd have a bad time.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 12:48:59 PM »
"States rights" is the wrong term to use, as it implies that states have rights when only people have rights.  It is a sloppy shorthand for "some powers belong to the federal government, some powers belong to the states."
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 02:32:03 PM »
Quote from: "Jason_Harvestdancer"
"States rights" is the wrong term to use, as it implies that states have rights when only people have rights.  It is a sloppy shorthand for "some powers belong to the federal government, some powers belong to the states."