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Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PM

The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage.

I am curious, though I pretty much already know the answer, Jesus tells us that the time of his return is so soon that we should treat our wives as if we are not married. He wanted purity of mind, all sex should be abstained from. Why do you believers ignore Jesus order and prefer to jump back to the OT rule of "go forth and procreate"?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Mike Cl

Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 05:27:16 PM
Interesting enough my daughter is a deaf mute and wasn't nearly as influenced as some young woman and teens are by commercial propaganda.

The Christian teaching I'm familiar with is actually quite liberal in the context of the marriage. ST Paul taught the man's body is for the woman and the woman's for the man and the marriage bed is sanctified. Neither party should deprive each other unless my mutual consent. The admonishments we're primarily about sex prior to marriage and of course adultery. I know some Christians unfortunately think the morality taught by the New Testament applies to everyone even if they don't profess to be Christians!
I would think that with a deaf mute daughter your issues would be more daunting than mine.  I imagine it is/was a difficult, daunting task raising a daughter such as yours.  I suspect it would take a lot of guts and patience. 

But my concerns for my daughter and her femalehood went far beyond commercials.  I wanted her to defend herself against the prevailing thoughts that females were limited and they needed to stay in their 'place'; that she could do what she wanted if she put her mind to it and just did it. 
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Drew_2017

Quote from: Mike Cl on September 19, 2017, 07:28:19 PM
I would think that with a deaf mute daughter your issues would be more daunting than mine.  I imagine it is/was a difficult, daunting task raising a daughter such as yours.  I suspect it would take a lot of guts and patience.

She's also undergone two open heart surgeries. She will live with us until we can't take care of her anymore. She can be very difficult at times but I consider it a privilege to be her father... 

QuoteBut my concerns for my daughter and her femalehood went far beyond commercials.  I wanted her to defend herself against the prevailing thoughts that females were limited and they needed to stay in their 'place'; that she could do what she wanted if she put her mind to it and just did it.

You sound like a great dad. Ideally a father is the first man a daughter will have a relationship with minus the pressure of sex.
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Mike Cl

Quote from: Drew_2017 on September 19, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
She's also undergone two open heart surgeries. She will live with us until we can't take care of her anymore. She can be very difficult at times but I consider it a privilege to be her father... 

Wow!  She is quite a challenge I imagine.  But with your attitude, I think she could not have found a better father or advocate.  I do say, I admire your attitude.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Baruch

Quote from: Cavebear on September 19, 2017, 06:01:45 PM
Wait, you are saying the default decision, by God, is to be able to demand sex?  Did I miss a definition somewhere?

Husbands and wives can be shits to each other.  And sex is natural.  You weren't married, right?
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Cavebear

Quote from: Hydra009 on September 19, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
:rrotflmao:

You can't make this stuff up!  Well, you can, but you get the idea.

Well, the porn industry DOES make that stuff up, but I agree with your point.
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