"I Am a Pedophile" Article

[CrucifyCindy]

most narcissists are not trying to be terrible people

O rly? Because one of the symptoms of NPD is being an arrogant exploitive asshole who lacks empathy. People with NPD actually go out of their way to be a terrible person to others.

[PickelledEggs]

Cindy and Peace, if you can't have a discussion without throwing around unnecessary insults, I'll temp-ban both of you. You can say the same things and debate what you want to debate without being so toxic.

Either figure out a way to discuss things in a civil manner, or don't discuss things with each other.

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[CrucifyCindy]

Cindy and Peace, if you can't have a discussion without throwing around unnecessary insults, I'll temp-ban both of you. You can say the same things and debate what you want to debate without being so toxic.

Either figure out a way to discuss things in a civil manner, or don't discuss things with each other.

5. No flaming, personal insults or attacks. It’s all good and well to criticize, attack or ridicule an argument or an idea. Doing the same to a poster will not be accepted any longer and will result in a warning or a ban, depending on the gravity of the action. Repeated offenses will result in a ban. Following a member from thread to thread with the only purpose of attacking them on a personal level will get you a permanent ban. "Calling out" another member, that is, creating a thread aimed at flaming another member is also strictly forbidden.

I am sorry but there is just something about rape apologetics that pisses me off.

[PickelledEggs]

I am sorry but there is just something about rape apologetics that pisses me off.

I understand. Rape pisses me off too, but please discuss it in a civilized manner. Attack the idea with facts, not by attacking the person with insults. Plus, your point will be way less convincing if you are busy insulting the person you are arguing with because your point will be drowned out by all the toxicity and insults.

tl;dr: say the same point you're trying to make, but without the insults
(and that goes for both of you.)

[The Skeletal Atheist]

I would think that the APA is more familiar with the subject being that they actually study the subject at hand. But you guys are the experts so we just throw away everything the medical community tells us about mental and physical conditions and just listen to a bunch of yobs blabbering about on the webs. No. When it cimes to medical issues I tend to listen to doctors not voodoo shamans who don't want to hurt the feelings of paedophiles.

I don't think anyone here is trying to avoid hurting the feelings of pedophiles.

I, personally, just want to see less children molested, and I don't think that driving the non offending pedophiles underground is the answer. These are people who realize that they can't do what they desire without harm,  and they are pained by it. We need to help them before they become the monsters that both we and they feel.

I'm going to admit to something that's hard to admit: I was molested once. It was a one time thing. In my mind the teenager who did it while I was 6 wasn't sure of his identity. That's probably not the truth though. I'm no longer haunted by it, nor do I think of it much. The main thing it did to me was make me question my sexuality when I was going through puberty and thinking about boys. I thought I was only thinking about it because of that event, but only because I read from a website that that was the case. I tried reparative treatment on myself. I watched straight porn, I prayed to God, I read the Bible. It made me hate myself. I didn't come to terms with myself until I was 16 after many years of struggle, and didn't come out until 19.

I don't like repeating this because right wing assholes try to associate molestation with homosexuality.

This all being said, refer to my earlier post: pedophilia is a sexual orientation and a paraphilia. They need to be addressed in our society, but with some fair distinction between the offenders and nonoffenders. Should they be monitored in some way? Probably. Should they be rejected because of a desire they never acted on? No.

[Hijiri Byakuren]

When it cimes to medical issues I tend to listen to doctors not voodoo shamans who don't want to hurt the feelings of paedophiles.

If that's really what you've taken away from this thread then I think you're the one who needs to see a doctor, because you have a serious case of anal-cranial inversion.

[PickelledEggs]

If that's really what you've taken away from this thread then I think you're the one who needs to see a doctor, because you have a serious case of anal-cranial inversion.

I just got done telling her and peace to stop throwing around insults and now you're going to keep going with them? Really?

[Hijiri Byakuren]

I just got done telling her and peace to stop throwing around insults and now you're going to keep going with them? Really?

Sorry, hadn't gotten to this page yet when I wrote that.

[TomFoolery]

I would think that the APA is more familiar with the subject being that they actually study the subject at hand. But you guys are the experts so we just throw away everything the medical community tells us about mental and physical conditions and just listen to a bunch of yobs blabbering about on the webs.

Well, I think the point people are making is the APA itself has changed its mind on what constitutes normal and abnormal sexual behavior. No one is claiming to know more than doctors, they're just wondering how the doctors know what they know because it's changed before. They even had to make a correction to the DSM V which you're quoting because it originally was listed as a sexual orientation. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/31/apa-correct-manual-clarification-pedophilia-not-se/

40 years ago they classified homosexuality as a mental disorder.

So to say that the APA is more familiar with the subject is true, but to act like they are immune to social change and further investigation is wrong. I don't think anyone is throwing away what the medical community is saying, they're just questioning terminology based on some previous flip flopping.

Besides, a lot of psychiatry and psychology is pretty fucking subjective, as the APA will also tell you.

[peacewithoutgod]

Google Search says;
par·a·phil·i·a
ËŒperəˈfilÄ"É™/
nounPSYCHIATRY
a condition characterized by abnormal sexual desires, typically involving extreme or dangerous activities.

If that is offered as evidence, the pseudoscience of psychology need not apply (if it was truly "psychiatry" then it should explain causative factors, not assign arbitrary labels, e.g. "Abnormal" behavior. Well of course it isn't normal, and then neither are LGBT conditions in any species which reproduces through sex. The former is wrong for being harmful, the latter is ok because it isn't, and all of the above are irrelevant because they say nothing on what makes one a pedophile / paraphile. 

[CrucifyCindy]

Well of course it isn't normal, and then neither are LGBT conditions in any species which reproduces through sex.

Oh please. Homosexuality is just as normal and natural as heterosexuality.

[peacewithoutgod]

IMO, don't compare it to the LGBT community; IF you want, start a Pedophile-Necrophilia-Bestiality-etc community, but it's not the same as consensual relationship between two adults and should not be compared to it. That doesn't mean it should be judged IF they aren't harming anyone else or saying they should be allowed to (I have enough weird Fetishes to know better than to judge...), but at the same time it is simply not the same as a straight or LGBT orientation.

You all need to stop telling others what they may discuss and creating strawmen in your attempt to silence them. You know damned well you are doing just that, we all know you aren't stupid - I made it crystal clear that this thread has absolutely nothing to do with the question of consent, but that of cause, that of being if you should happen to be aroused by children but care enough not to engage sexually with them at their expense. STOP THIS STONEWALLING NOW and let these people be heard and understood, give them the chance to be helped instead of the same old shit which obviously does nobody any good, or you are no better than christofacists like Kim Davis!

[peacewithoutgod]

Can you please calm yourself. I'd rather this not turn in to another unnecessary, full-blown pissing match/argument.

You're pretty good at that yourself.

[peacewithoutgod]

Except for the fact that the DSM-5 lists it as a fucking disorder? Facts must kill you. You are the enemy of facts.

Heheeeeeeeeeee - she thinks the DSM-5 has anything whatsoever to do with SCIENCE!!!!

:s_laugh:

[peacewithoutgod]

Oh please. Homosexuality is just as normal and natural as heterosexuality.

Not a question of moral norm, but biological, and I contend that paraphilia is biological because the sex drive in all animals is biological. If every member of the species homo-sapiens didn't mate with the opposite sex, and lab breeding was an option, then this would not help with the duplication of genes and genetic survival, which is the driver of the Darwin machinery. Therefore, not "normal". Not bad in society, and in modern society beneficial in many ways (parentless children need loving couples), but that doesn't mean "normal", even when they are morally normal.