The Official Atheist Forums 'Bernie Sanders or Bust' Thread

[Hydra009]

But personally, I'm not quite ready to go from "our fist non-white President" back to "old white guy" just yet, which is my biggest stickler against Bernie.  He's the oldest, whitest guy running.

Please tell me you're not serious.  I mean, how do you think it'd go over if I said that I won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman?  That'd be a little fucked up, wouldn't it?

Just once, I'd like to have an election where the candidates' sex and race doesn't matter.

[Mermaid]

Please tell me you're not serious.  I mean, how do you think it'd go over if I said that I won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman?  That'd be a little fucked up, wouldn't it?

Just once, I'd like to have an election where the candidates' sex and race doesn't matter.

OR religion.

[Hakurei Reimu]

Please tell me you're not serious.  I mean, how do you think it'd go over if I said that I won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman?  That'd be a little fucked up, wouldn't it?

Just once, I'd like to have an election where the candidates' sex and race doesn't matter.

Basically, this. If the chief qualifier for president is stuff like "non-white" or "woman" rather than stuff like "competence" or "integrity," then I question the veracity of your priorities.

[Baruch]

Sanders might actually win - if he were playing on a level field.

Only suckers play with unmarked cards ;-)

[Mike Cl]

Basically, this. If the chief qualifier for president is stuff like "non-white" or "woman" rather than stuff like "competence" or "integrity," then I question the veracity of your priorities.

That's a great ideal to shoot for.  But that is all it is.  Name me anybody in politics today that can claim integrity??!!  So, if you are going to vote for integrity, you simply are not going to vote.  What to vote for then?  Competence?  That is in the eye of the beholder.  And it depends upon what you want them to be competent in.  What career politician is not competent in retaining their position or playing the game of politics?  Is that a good thing?  So, what really divides Hilary from Donald?  Sex.  I'd vote for the woman.  Hilary or Sanders?  That one gives me pause and I have not made up my mind yet.  Hilary and anybody else--Hilary because she is a woman.  She has the same integrity and competence as any other person from the Repubs can  put up--but that is really a pox on both their houses.  So, ' a woman' wins in my book. 

[Baruch]

Least worse choice ... I have long hated that.

[josephpalazzo]

For me, the most important thing for the next president is three nominations to SCOTUS  with Scalia 79, Kennedy 79, and Ginsberg 82 who are due to retire. Remember those who will get nominated will be more likely in their 50's, which mean they will be around for the next 30+years, if they are in any good health. Their influence will be far greater than any president that will come long in the next 30 years. And so for me, a Democratic President is a MUST, and why I favor Hillary, since she has a much greater chance of winning than Sanders - a nice guy, but doesn't have much a chance in a general presidential election.

[Mike Cl]

Least worse choice ... I have long hated that.

Yeah, me too.........but then who do you vote for?  A write-in every time????

[GSOgymrat]

I went to a dinner party recently and socialist Bernie Sanders was roundly identified as worst presidential candidate. After dinner we were escorted to the five-car garage and marveled at the host's new $200K Aston Martin.

[Hydra009]

That's a great ideal to shoot for.  But that is all it is.  Name me anybody in politics today that can claim integrity??!!  So, if you are going to vote for integrity, you simply are not going to vote.  What to vote for then?  Competence?  That is in the eye of the beholder.

I prioritize platform (Sanders edges out Clinton there), followed closely by actual political experience (both Sanders and Hillary have quite a bit, while Trump and Carson do not) with personal likability a distant third (again, Bernie > Clinton).  I mostly vote Democrat, so competence is sorta hit and miss, unfortunately.

[Baruch]

I went to a dinner party recently and socialist Bernie Sanders was roundly identified as worst presidential candidate. After dinner we were escorted to the five-car garage and marveled at the host's new $200K Aston Martin.

If we were all Pharaoh, who will build the pyramids?

[Baruch]

Yeah, me too.........but then who do you vote for?  A write-in every time????

You are supposed to found a grass-roots political organization ... like Perot.  Then you have to support your ... like Perot ... no matter what.  Spend time, spend money, vote for ... like Perot candidates ... keep expanding until the other parties are beat.  You can't be free, if you only choose Left-slave or Right-slave.  Or you can build on an existing third party like the Greens.  And yes, you will have to let wealthy people run your new or existing party.  No, write-ins in most cases won't work, unless you can convince a lot of folks to make the same write-in.

[Mike Cl]

I prioritize platform (Sanders edges out Clinton there), followed closely by actual political experience (both Sanders and Hillary have quite a bit, while Trump and Carson do not) with personal likability a distant third (again, Bernie > Clinton).  I mostly vote Democrat, so competence is sorta hit and miss, unfortunately.

Yeah, that's basically how I do it.  I voted for Obama twice--but I realize that campaign promises are basically hyperbole.  So I do not have a high bar for them to jump over.  History has a lot to do with it for me; what has either party actually done for the American people.  With that test in mind, I'd be crazy to vote for any Repub.

[Unbeliever]

I wonder why people even listen to campaign promises, since the candidates only say what they think will garner them votes, with no intention at all of carrying through on the promises.


But then, I'm a cynic.

[GSOgymrat]

If we were all Pharaoh, who will build the pyramids?

According to the party host certainly not the millenials.  They have no work ethic, or as he so wonderfully put, "they are not mission focused. "