Is the word "Islamophobia" an apologist's charter?

Started by 1liesalot, September 15, 2015, 05:47:40 AM

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Shiranu

QuoteOn the whole, which condones more violence, and which feeds more off intolerance? End of discussion!

Compare which culture has declared more wars, which culture buys more humans through the slave trade, which culture is becoming more and more xenophobic if anyone who does not share a common skin colour with them, which culture overthrows the governments of countries in 5 different continents to serve their own agenda, which  countries speak out of one side of their mouth about how terrible poverty is and yet does not a single thing to address it. Compare which culture just had three of the four largest genocides (Russia, Germany, Belgium) in the last hundred years or so. Compare which culture actively sends its companies to other countries just so they can use their children in a sweatshops or farms on a scale unrivaled in human history. Compare which culture decries slavery as a "moral injustice" while using slave labour to pick their oranges or use prisoners to manufacture dirt cheap goods.

Compare which culture has the highest rates of homicide and crime globally; I'll give you a spoiler... you are going to see an assload of countries ahead of the "other" culture.

Get this, "The West's shit don't stink! End of story!" bullshit out of here.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

1liesalot

Quote from: widdershins on September 15, 2015, 06:00:47 PM
Islamophobia isn't a real thing, it's a word make up by PC sensitivity Nazis to bash people in the head with if they say anything bad about Islam and especially when they relate Islam to terrorism.  I hate Islam.  I also hate Christianity.  I essentially hate organized religion and find people who believe in magic to be altogether silly.  No, not all Muslims are terrorists, but a good share of terrorists are Muslim, therefore relating the two is fair.  Yes, there are decent Muslims out there and I can respect them, as people.  Their religion, however is batshit crazy and full of people who use it as an excuse to attack anyone not like them.  Pretty much Christianity on crazy ass steroids.  SOME people don't take it that way, and good for them.  But that's on them, not on the religion itself.  The Qur'an says I deserve to die because I don't believe the Qur'an.  Islam is based on the Qur'an.  Therefore Islam is shit, even if some people who follow Islam aren't total dicks about it.  Pretty straight forward logic as far as I'm concerned.  If someone wants to call me an Islamophobe for that, I don't really have a problem with anything any festizio has to say about me.

Absolutely spot on. The whole thing never gets challenged, though, which is a disgrace.

baronvonrort

Quote from: Shiranu on September 19, 2015, 04:01:27 PM
Compare which culture has declared more wars, which culture buys more humans through the slave trade, which culture is becoming more and more xenophobic if anyone who does not share a common skin colour with them, which culture overthrows the governments of countries in 5 different continents to serve their own agenda

Compare which culture has the highest rates of homicide and crime globally; I'll give you a spoiler...

Islam has declared more wars, over 270 million killed since $Profit Mo started spreading the Islam delusion.
Here is a list for ignorant apologists like you-
www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=19435.0

While the enlightened west has outlawed slavery with the Universal declaration of human rights the Islamic countries have their Cairo declaration of human rights where the last 2 articles say Sharia law trumps human rights.

The Islamic slave trade is well documented it continues to this very day with muslims enslaving Yazidi's in Syria, pity apologists like you have nothing to say on slavery in 2015.

Islamic militants have a long history of disposing of governments that do not agree with Islamic idiocy, the Islamic revolution in Iran, the Taliban in Afghanistan,Al Shaabab in Somalia, Boko Haram in Nigeria and of course the Islamic state.

Does the USA even rank in the top 10 for homicide if you don't exclude Islamic countries?

Ali Sina wrote an excellent article on that technically and logically incorrect term called Islamophobia that is used by Islamic apologists like you, can you refute anything Ali wrote in this article?
www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina60526.htm

The resident christianophobes are whinging about Islamophobia, lmao at the idiots.




CrucifyCindy

Quote from: baronvonrort on September 19, 2015, 10:08:08 PM

Islamic militants have a long history of disposing of governments that do not agree with Islamic idiocy

Pot meet kettle.
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

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Shiranu



QuoteIslam has declared more wars, over 270 million killed since $Profit Mo started spreading the Islam delusion.
Here is a list for ignorant apologists like you-

You know, I actually wrote a decent length response of the death toll by "Christianity" in just the last hundred years, and how it made up nearly a quarter of the number Islam killed in the last 1400 (I was going to save you the embarrassment of adding in the Christian lead genocides of the century before that which is in the hundreds of millions... so 200 years, and already nearly equal)...

...but then I checked the source of that 270mil and realised it is fake.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39361_Fact-Checking_Pamela_Geller-_270_Million_Victims_of_Islam
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/01/2013127211920494.html

Get this... Geller use to work for FOX News, and they fired her because SHE WAS TOO EXTREME.

Yeah, good source there buddy.

QuoteWhile the enlightened west has outlawed slavery with the Universal declaration of human rights the Islamic countries have their Cairo declaration of human rights where the last 2 articles say Sharia law trumps human rights.

And yet "the enlightened west" still uses slavery everyday, both here and overseas. We hire dirt cheap Mexicans to work our fields, and if they complain we report them to the feds and deport them. We use prisoners as production workers for pennies. We send our work overseas where men, women and children alike work in sweat shops for pennies. We have a huge sex trade and human trafficking issue here in the States and in much of Europe as well that no one will address.

We only hold the moral high ground in that, if we keep our slaves on the other side of the world, then it doesn't feel so much like slavery. It's not me who has a slave, it's the company I buy my pants from, who built my computer.

QuoteThe Islamic slave trade is well documented it continues to this very day with muslims enslaving Yazidi's in Syria, pity apologists like you have nothing to say on slavery in 2015.

Funny, if you go back through my posts you will see I have been consistent on my thoughts of the Western sweat shop/slave system... both in 2015 and before. And you will also see my condemnation of the Middle Eastern slave trade in places like Arabia and the UAE. If you are going to throw such allegations, please don't be so blatantly wrong.

QuoteIslamic militants have a long history of disposing of governments that do not agree with Islamic idiocy, the Islamic revolution in Iran, the Taliban in Afghanistan,Al Shaabab in Somalia, Boko Haram in Nigeria and of course the Islamic state.



The Islamic revolution in Iran... you mean the one that was backed and sparked by the United States (on behalf of the Brits) to protect the oil interests of British Petroleum (er, sorry... the Anglo-Persian Petrol Company)? The Islamic revolution backed by the West that overthrew a democratic and secular government that leaned too far to socialism in a time where that was not the in vogue thing to do?

And when you mention the Taliban (and the mujhadeen in general)... you mean the same organizations trained and supplied by the United States as a way to combat the Russian troops that were moving into the region? The same terrorist groups that, again, overthrew a relatively moderate state?

So... thats two "Western Interventions" you blame on Islam, nice work there...

QuoteAl Shaabab in Somalia, Boko Haram in Nigeria and of course the Islamic state.

The Lord's Liberation Army, Anti-Malaka and of course the witch-hunters of Africa who are slaughtering Muslims and atheists at a staggering rate.

QuoteDoes the USA even rank in the top 10 for homicide if you don't exclude Islamic countries?

Do you want me to do your homework for you?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

First 32 countries... all extremely Christian, nearly all Latin American (a few African). Oops. Then you have Myrammar, where Muslims are facing genocide. Oops. Then you have to go all the way down to 48 to find Sudan... and from 49 down to 111 (where you will find the United States), there are a grand total of about 10 Muslim states... and those are places like Pakistan, Palestine and Sudan.

So of the top 111... a grand total of 10 or 11 of them are Muslim, 90 something are Christian and the rest are animistic for the most part of Buddhist. And the Christian one's are predominately the REALLY Christian ones... Mexico, Venezuela, Brasil, etc. etc.

So, tell me more about how violent Islam is comparatively. I will wait with (not really) bated breath.

QuoteAli Sina wrote an excellent article on that technically and logically incorrect term called Islamophobia that is used by Islamic apologists like you, can you refute anything Ali wrote in this article?

First off, when was the last time you heard me use the term "Islamophobia" over the word bigot, which is what an "Islamophobe" really is. The main reason I think people use that word is to try and be at least a tad bit polite and, more importantly, not have the bigot go on a rampage about how dare you call a spade a spade. That shit gets old, yo.

But I'll address a few points because I am bored...

QuoteOnly Muslims are capable of this much irrationality and arrogance.

Haha.

No.

QuoteDespite that Buddhism has its critics and we never call then Buddhistphobes.   

That is because those people don't generalise that all Buddhist, because of a fraction of a fraction of the population are genocidal or dictators/serf owners (see; Tibet and Myrammar), must therefor be terrorists. We just call those people nuts because it's a very uncommon view point.

Okay, got more bored reading that. Never mind.

"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

baronvonrort

Quote from: Shiranu on September 20, 2015, 12:09:23 AM

And yet "the enlightened west" still uses slavery everyday, both here and overseas. We hire dirt cheap Mexicans to work our fields, and if they complain we report them to the feds and deport them. We use prisoners as production workers for pennies. We send our work overseas where men, women and children alike work in sweat shops for pennies

The Islamic revolution in Iran... you mean the one that was backed and sparked by the United States
So... thats two "Western Interventions" you blame on Islam

Then you have Myrammar, where Muslims are facing genocide. Oops.

That is because those people don't generalise that all Buddhist, because of a fraction of a fraction of the population are genocidal or dictators/serf owners (see; Tibet and Myrammar)


Yes somehow hiring people to work is comparable to beheading all the men in their family and enslaving the women and children according to leftist dim wits in the USA, nothing to worry about with Islam allowing real slavery hiring a Mexican to clean your toilet is just as bad according to apologists from the USA.

The Islamic revolution happened in 1979, when was Mossadegh deposed?, at least the Iranians still have death to America rallies which didn't happen before the Islamic revolution but have happened every year since.
Did the USA ask the Shah to crush those commie kurds who created the republic of Mahabad?

There are 3 sides to every story, we see you have taken the Islamic side with Myanmar which like Palestine/Bosnia claims muslims are the victims of the evil kuffar and muslims never do anything wrong.

There is a long list of Buddhist persecution by muslims before they responded to being provoked, muslims have an ingrained victim mentality which helps with propaganda to fool useful idiots like you.
www.themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/the-innocent-and-persecuted-rohingya-muslims-in-burma-a-history-of-rape-genocide-and-grisly-murders-of-Buddhists-by-illegal-bangladeshi-muslims/

Muslims are allowed to tell lies is there anything in the Buddhist texts that allows Buddhists to tell lies, I think the Buddhist version will be closer to the truth in Myanmar.

$Profit Mo said-
He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information is not a liar
www.sunnah.com/bukhari/53/3

The leftist dim witted apologists trust A religion that allows them to tell lies to non believers.



baronvonrort

Islam was in decline before oil money revived it, the Saudis helped create the current refugee problem, they don't take refugees in Saudi Arabia, the Saudis did offer to build 300 mosques in Germany for their new arrivals.
Islam has oil money helping propoagte this delusion.

Nice pics of Dubai in 1990 compared to today-
www.businessinsider.com/dubai-in-1990-is-totally-unrecognizable-2013-12


Draconic Aiur

Damn right Im a bigot, I hate islam, jewish, zoawhateas, and christianity theyre all the fuking same and come from the same goddamn place:the middle east. But to say I hate all religion equally is bullshit, because a few are more evil: Islam and Christianity both need to die so we can take just bomb the motherfuk of middle east, and the vatican, and the goddamn south/bible belt, or instant kill anyone that spread the disease of babylonian bullshit right now.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: widdershins on September 15, 2015, 06:00:47 PM
Islamophobia isn't a real thing, it's a word make up by PC sensitivity Nazis to bash people in the head with if they say anything bad about Islam and especially when they relate Islam to terrorism. I hate Islam.  I also hate Christianity. I essentially hate organized religion and find people who believe in magic to be altogether silly.  No, not all Muslims are terrorists, but a good share of terrorists are Muslim, therefore relating the two is fair.  Yes, there are decent Muslims out there and I can respect them, as people.  Their religion, however is batshit crazy and full of people who use it as an excuse to attack anyone not like them.  Pretty much Christianity on crazy ass steroids.  SOME people don't take it that way, and good for them.  But that's on them, not on the religion itself.  The Qur'an says I deserve to die because I don't believe the Qur'an.  Islam is based on the Qur'an.  Therefore Islam is shit, even if some people who follow Islam aren't total dicks about it.  Pretty straight forward logic as far as I'm concerned.  If someone wants to call me an Islamophobe for that, I don't really have a problem with anything any festizio has to say about me.

American idiot dedected.

And they have the every right to hate you and your culture back AND create every social and media, political weapon to fight against it. Like anti-semitism, anti-Americanism. They learned from the best. It's progress. Stop whining. It's not going anywhere, it will just get bigger. Take it up with your politcians who use it at every time its benefical for themselves.

Western politicans use the term 'Islamophıbia' more than anyone when it pays back.

The problem is NOT just raleting terrorism with Islam, but refuse to accept to

-call a terrorist a terrorist when they are white christians and domestic terrorism commited after 9/11 straight
-accept the policies of USA and its allies in creating that threat
-benefit USA -and its allies- gets from that threat
-profit USA-and its allies- gets from it 
-that they made an industry out of human suffering by creating it, fueling and refueling it for more profit
-that they created a culture which normalises attacking and invading foreign countries and committing mass annihilation as 'a job' for its own citizens and teach their children that this is 'defending democracy' and why their nation is the greatest one.

If Americans should decide to sue their governments of decades to come, in an ideal world and justice system, American people would win countless cases from systematic stupidization of their people and isolation of their culture to send their sons to unjustified, bullshit made up wars to kill them in masses. But it worked so good with wild capitalism, most of them are happy with that identity, enjoy that delusion and screaming about freedom.



"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Draconic Aiur

Why would you highlight "I hate Islam. I hate Chrisanity." and then say he's an american Idiot for saying both religion are fucked up?
Unless you support Islam....

Shiranu

QuoteYes somehow hiring people to work is comparable to beheading all the men in their family and enslaving the women and children according to leftist dim wits in the USA, nothing to worry about with Islam allowing real slavery hiring a Mexican to clean your toilet is just as bad according to apologists from the USA.

http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1333894/29-million-trapped-modern-day-slavery-china-30-million-worldwide
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/apr/28/sweatshops-supplying-high-street-brands


This is the system the "morally superiour Western culture" continues to uphold for the sake of cheaper pants. Just because we keep our slaves overseas doesn't mean they don't exist. And nice racism against Mexicans there, asshole; Latino immigrants work in far worse conditions than, "Oh, they get to scrub some rich guys toilet!"... we use them for construction, field labour and other higher risk jobs because they don't have to have insurance and they dont have to have rights.

QuoteThe Islamic revolution happened in 1979, when was Mossadegh deposed?, at least the Iranians still have death to America rallies which didn't happen before the Islamic revolution but have happened every year since.
Did the USA ask the Shah to crush those commie kurds who created the republic of Mahabad?

The Islamic Revolution didn't just happen one day when the Ayatollah said, "Oh, I want power now.". It goes back a generation or two before and, frankly, to try to say the situation in Iran can be blamed on any one party (Islam) rather than being a conglomeration of various factors is extremely historically ignorant.

The anti-American/Anti-West sentiment brewed in Iran for years before the revolution; Mohammed Reza Shah was installed by force by the British and Soviets after his father was banished (this did not make the West look good). Then when the people were sick of the Shah and removed him from power and democratically elected Mossadegh, the CIA came in and overthrew their government again.

Tell me, how would you feel if a foreign power overthrew your government by military force? Then when you got rid of the person they put in power... they reinstalled him by military force again and supported him with weapons and turned a blind eye to him torturing civilians? Would you throw a, "We Love The Foreign Power! Long Live To Them!!!" march? Just curious.

QuoteThere are 3 sides to every story, we see you have taken the Islamic side with Myanmar which like Palestine/Bosnia claims muslims are the victims of the evil kuffar and muslims never do anything wrong.

Oh look, more deflections from the point that, of the 111 top homicide countries, only 10 or 11 of them were Islamic (and they were the worst of the worst countries).

Just like you deflected from the fact that your number of people killed in Islamic wars was a completely bullshit number pulled out of an ultra-right wing asshole. Or just pretended that I didn't at all mention, and never have mentioned, the slavery in the Middle East as being a problem as well. Surprise surprise.

QuoteThe leftist dim witted apologists trust A religion that allows them to tell lies to non believers.

You are such a partisan hack, it is pathetic. Maybe if you could shut your damn mouth for 10 seconds about, "Oh mah gawdddd, the leffftiestsses!!!" you wouldn't make yourself look like such a fucking moron every time you inevitably regurgitate the blatant lies and inflammatory bullshit discredited hacks have spoon-fed you.
"A little science distances you from God, but a lot of science brings you nearer to Him." - Louis Pasteur

Munch

Quote from: Draconic Aiur on September 20, 2015, 04:37:01 AM
Damn right Im a bigot, I hate islam, jewish, zoawhateas, and christianity theyre all the fuking same and come from the same goddamn place:the middle east. But to say I hate all religion equally is bullshit, because a few are more evil: Islam and Christianity both need to die so we can take just bomb the motherfuk of middle east, and the vatican, and the goddamn south/bible belt, or instant kill anyone that spread the disease of babylonian bullshit right now.

For me, the greatest relief would be the death of the fictional mentality of religion, not the death of the people, just the irrational idea and ideals of it. But sadly, like cancer, religion can become so intertwined in peoples minds there is no cure for it.
'Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners' - George Carlin

Cocoa Beware

I think whoever uses the term "Islamophobia" as a way to deflect criticism is someone who is probably unfamiliar with the religion.

The Koran contains a slew of verses that, on their own, would be considered blatant hate speech if they were published independently.

Yet somehow, perhaps under this misguided premise of religious tolerance, people seem to overlook if not completely ignore something they ought to acknowledge if they truly are liberal minded, and that is Islam is rife with the kind of intolerances they'd never abide under any other circumstances.

Obviously Islam is not a race, but you can call some one critical of Islam a racist and completely shut down the conversation. I dont think you are aware of the kind of behavior you are unwittingly endorsing by doing something like that.

Muslims victimize fellow Muslims more then anyone else. We need to make more of an effort to understand what life is like for a Muslim homosexual, woman or apostate, rather then denying and taking offense to the allegation that these people are in fact going through what they are going through!

aitm

twenty years ago I wrote, like many others, that Islam was merely an early version of xianity and if all else were equal in 700 years  they would be as liberal as todays xians. But this is far from the case. With xianity, education drove reform, but muslims seem to have a distinct aversion to knowledge to the point where education is not just banned,,not just shunned, but forbidden. It is forbidden for the very reason that it promotes reason and logic which Islam fears above all. IT is an especially desperate religion, and that make it especially dangerous.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Draconic Aiur

Quote from: Munch on September 20, 2015, 06:14:11 PM
For me, the greatest relief would be the death of the fictional mentality of religion, not the death of the people, just the irrational idea and ideals of it. But sadly, like cancer, religion can become so intertwined in peoples minds there is no cure for it.

Yeah I'm sorry I posted that but Sometimes I'm like BURN! NUKE! ERADICATE THE IGNORANT UNCHANGABLES!