Author Topic: Parents of trans* 1st-grader file discrimination complaint  (Read 4820 times)

Offline Colanth

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2013, 01:06:49 PM »
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Re: Parents of trans* 1st-grader file discrimination complai
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2013, 01:11:44 PM »
I like coming across petitions that I have already signed.  :D

Bib, I hope that you can adjust if your wife does need to transition.  I know two military MTF/FTM couples, one where both are whole, and one where both are in transition but stymied as the MTF spouse is still active duty and limited in what she can do thanks to military bigotry and forced discharge if outed.

If you need to talk with anyone, I can put you in touch with them and make myself available.
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Re: Parents of trans* 1st-grader file discrimination complai
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2013, 01:28:51 PM »
Quote from: "wolf39us"
I just don't get the arguments put forth.  I can think I'm black all day long but the reality is that I'm white.  I can think I'm a squirrel all day long but the reality is that I'm human.

Thinking something that you're not does not change reality.  If you're brain is any bit logical, you can only conform to reality.  Oh my, I have a dick... By definition I'm a male!
Gender isn't defined by sex characteristics, it's defined by, well, how the person thinks, acts, identifies.

If you identify as a girl, and have a girl's body, you're a girl, right? So why not the same for someone who identifies as a girl, but has a guy's body? Is that person a "fake" girl, who's just pretending? Does how the person actually feels mean nothing? You're a guy or a girl, and that's it?

Gender is apart from sex, they're separate. He, she, her, him, they're pronouns tied to gender. "Girl in a guy's body," however cliched, is an accurate term.
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2013, 02:48:53 PM »
Thank you Kimmie.

It probably won't be nessecary. She's not planning to change. It's complicated for her, she does want to have kids and be a mother for instance. And in more ways she has both genders.
She often dresses like a male, and I have no problems with that.
I love her.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2013, 03:05:11 PM »
Love is what matter, Bib, and you are welcome.  My ear is available to you no matter what.  :)
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Offline StupidWiz

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2013, 08:00:36 PM »
Quote from: "Bibliofagus"
Thank you Kimmie.

It probably won't be nessecary. She's not planning to change. It's complicated for her, she does want to have kids and be a mother for instance. And in more ways she has both genders.
She often dresses like a male, and I have no problems with that.
I love her.
You're a good man, Biblio. :)
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2013, 08:55:52 PM »
Quote from: "StupidWiz"
You're a good man, Biblio. :)
Seconded.  :)
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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2013, 01:07:48 AM »
Thirded :D
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Offline Atheon

Re: Parents of trans* 1st-grader file discrimination complai
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2013, 04:19:43 AM »
I'm all in favor of equality for transgendered people, and I realize that many transgendered people know from early childhood what sex they identify as. But there are sure to be plenty of kids who change their mind about their gender identity as they grow older.

1st grade is way too young to be certain. Kids are confused about a hell of a lot of things at that age. They go through phases.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2013, 04:31:09 AM »
Atheon, I disagree.  6 years old is old enough for most trans people to know for certain.  It's hardwired in.  I never saw boys insisting they were girls, or girls insisting they were boys when growing up.  Only trans children question that fact.
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Offline Colanth

Re: Parents of trans* 1st-grader file discrimination complai
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2013, 10:44:09 PM »
Quote from: "Atheon"
I'm all in favor of equality for transgendered people, and I realize that many transgendered people know from early childhood what sex they identify as. But there are sure to be plenty of kids who change their mind about their gender identity
Not being transgendered myself, I can't be sure, but I don't think it's a matter of making up one's mind.  A trans child probably knows his or her gender identity as well as a non-trans child.  Your apparent view of transgenderism sounds like the old "choose to be gay" argument.  Maybe I'm reading you wrong.
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