The Refugee Crisis

[Munch]

When the images of the dead little boy appeared, that should have been a wake up call. This crisis will not get any better, until the EU attacks the source of it the cause for these people running from there own country. Unless something is done at the source, this won't end, and more images of dead children on beaches or in parents arms will be showing.

When hearing that Russia wants to join in the fight against Isis, that of all things makes you realize how serious this is becoming. Its not just Isis of course, but its an example.

[pr126]

Meanwhile, no one is bothering even to ask, much less answer, one central question: why is it incumbent upon Europe have to absorb all these refugees? Why not Saudi Arabia or the other Muslim countries that are oil-rich and have plenty of space?
The answer is unspoken because non-Muslim authorities refuse to believe it and Muslims don’t want it stated or known: these refugees have to go to Europe because this is a hijrah.

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[stromboli]

Islam is nothing if not opportunistic. Any European leader that doesn't see Hijrah in progress is an idiot. Pretty clear, at least to me, that Allah goes where the refugees go. Nothing like inundating a country with refugees packing Quran and leaving loved ones behind they need to find a safe haven for. And in 10 years a large group of settled refugees will be demanding Halal and Sharia law.

Call me a bigot. Hard to deny the obvious.

[josephpalazzo]

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I don't think these refugees are seeking asylum because of a great desire in planning a conversion to Sharia law, but more that they are fleeing failed states, and Europe is a safe haven. If some of them intend to carry such plan, it's up to the citizens of that country to see that it doesn't happen.

[josephpalazzo]

Islam is nothing if not opportunistic.

That's true of any religion. Are we going to deny humanitarian help to an individual just because he/she has religious beliefs? If so, atheists are no different than theists.

[pr126]

I don't think these refugees are seeking asylum because of a great desire in planning a conversion to Sharia law, but more that they are fleeing failed states, and Europe is a safe haven. If some of them intend to carry such plan, it's up to the citizens of that country to see that it doesn't happen.

Europe will become a failed continent soon.
Those who feel safe in fortress USA, don't. You will not be left alone. You are next.

[josephpalazzo]

Europe will become a failed continent soon.
Those who feel safe in fortress USA, don't. You will not be left alone. You are next.

Are you becoming what Muhammed was, a prophet? Tst, tst...

Look, Europe was always under the threat of invasion. Remember the Huns, the Vandals... and the Anglo-Saxons, who pillared the Roman Empire and  vast parts of Europe, not to mention the Mongols in the 13th century. If  Europeans strongly believe in their values, they can absorb this wave of migrants, and get them, Muslims or others, to accept their values. I'm not saying this will be easy.

[peacewithoutgod]

I don't think these refugees are seeking asylum because of a great desire in planning a conversion to Sharia law, but more that they are fleeing failed states, and Europe is a safe haven. If some of them intend to carry such plan, it's up to the citizens of that country to see that it doesn't happen.

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Singapore, Malaysia, and the Indonesian states are in no way "failed", and they are places where Jislamists fit in perfectly. Pakistan is a joke, but it should be perfectly safe for any faithful Jislamist.

The problem with Jislamists is that they Jism too much!

Sorry, but I really get sick of the way these people bring the failure of civilization upon themselves, and then target the most civilized nations so that they can ruin them too!

[pr126]

Are you becoming what Muhammed was, a prophet? Tst, tst...

No. Just realistic.

[josephpalazzo]

Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Singapore, Malaysia, and the Indonesian states are in no way "failed", and they are places where Jislamists fit in perfectly. Pakistan is a joke, but it should be perfectly safe for any faithful Jislamist.

The problem with Jislamists is that they Jism too much!

Sorry, but I really get sick of the way these people bring the failure of civilization upon themselves, and then target the most civilized nations so that they can ruin them too!

Well the countries you've mentioned are hardly  a good destination. Saudi Arabia beheads more people in any given month than ISIS. Iran is Shiite country - where Sunnis are a blasphemy, now imagine what is thought of any other religious belief. Turkey is going through turmoil with an attempt to go the Islamist fad, and probably will never recuperate, and forget Singapore - a city-state, or Malaysia - they can't run a decent airline, or Indonesia- it has more than 700 languages spread over 1000 islands. Granted that Islamic states should do more to take in more refugees, but history shows that they weren't even willing to take in the Palestinian refugees, even though they worship the same god.

[peacewithoutgod]

Well the countries you've mentioned are hardly  a good destination. Saudi Arabia beheads more people in any given month than ISIS. Iran is Shiite country - where Sunnis are a blasphemy, now imagine what is thought of any other religious belief. Turkey is going through turmoil with an attempt to go the Islamist fad, and probably will never recuperate, and forget Singapore - a city-state, or Malaysia - they can't run a decent airline, or Indonesia- it has more than 700 languages spread over 1000 islands. Granted that Islamic states should do more to take in more refugees, but history shows that they weren't even willing to take in the Palestinian refugees, even though they worship the same god.

What part of "Muslim refugee" don't you understand? Most of these countries are perfect for these people!

[josephpalazzo]

What part of "Muslim refugee" don't you understand? Most of these countries are perfect for these people!

And what part of "history shows that they weren't even willing to take in the Palestinian refugees, even though they worship the same god" don't you understand?

[peacewithoutgod]

And what part of "history shows that they weren't even willing to take in the Palestinian refugees, even though they worship the same god" don't you understand?

What part of "Fuck you Turkey, we're going to send them back to you because you should deal with them" does this world not understand?

[stromboli]

Oh yeah- welcome back, JP.

This is the beginning. The refugee tide of now is nearly overwhelming, especially to countries like Hungary and Greece, who have little or no infrastructure to handle them. Turkey? We shall see. And it will get worse and continue for the foreseeable future. European nations are becoming more conservative and there is a growing tide of resentment-largely from the poorer nationalists- who see immigrants as a curse. And there are leaders who will capitalize on that and look to join them. As a political bloc, a large conservative core throughout Europe becomes destabilizing to more liberal governments like France or Germany.

Interesting times. Kinda glad, like PR, I'm probably not going to live long enough to see the nasty outcome.

[Mermaid]

It hurts my heart to read the terrible stories about these people. I have actually calculated how many people we can house here.