Author Topic: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy  (Read 9888 times)

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2015, 01:28:19 AM »
Damn straight! Fuck you Buddha!

And we all have to remember that the "Enlighten One" was a blatant misogynist, so how "Enlighten" was the "Enlighten One"? So yeah...Fuck you Buddha!
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

 حسن الصباح - ليس هناك ما هو صحيح ، كل شيء مسموح به

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2015, 01:37:24 AM »
The Hindu party (Narendra Modi) has won only the second time in the history of India. For 63 years out of the 69, India had anti-Hindu rulers.

I might be mistaken but I for one thought that India has existed longer than 69 years. Face it, all your talk about non-dualism is just a crock because you are a outright nationalist.
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

 حسن الصباح - ليس هناك ما هو صحيح ، كل شيء مسموح به

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2015, 01:49:46 AM »
I understand what  you're saying. We see a lot of woo here that some think is a special kind of woo because it suggests humans are more than evolved animals and we can "exist" as something "higher" than what we are…..or gibberish like that. Woo is woo.

And I have notice that those who believe in Eastern woo while calling themselves atheistt seem to believe that evolution is something other than the blind process that it is. I am a theist but even I can accept that evolution is just a roll of the dice and nothing more than that. If a creature can exist in its milieu, it will once it can't it goes extinct.
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

 حسن الصباح - ليس هناك ما هو صحيح ، كل شيء مسموح به

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2015, 01:51:14 AM »
I'm surround by Christians and we all agree those "religions" are nonsense. We don't criticize because we don't their faith seriously.

You are going to give this excuse in the age of globalization, the internet and Oprah Winfrey?
“Rational thought is a failed experiment and should be phased out.”
 William S. Burroughs

 حسن الصباح - ليس هناك ما هو صحيح ، كل شيء مسموح به

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2015, 03:56:08 AM »
You are going to give this excuse in the age of globalization, the internet and Oprah Winfrey?

I don't treat Eastern or Western religions all that differently because I'm skeptical of them all. I see them as different expressions of similar psychological needs shaped by social values and norms-- essentially the same song, different lyrics, different language. Unlike some other atheists, I don't hate religion but I also don't relate to it personally very well. Religion does not work for me, it isn't how I make sense of my world, but it obviously is of value to many people... like Oprah.

Offline Aupmanyav

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2015, 05:29:19 AM »
I might be mistaken but I for one thought that India has existed longer than 69 years. Face it, all your talk about non-dualism is just a crock because you are a outright nationalist.
Anything wrong with being a nationalist? Their are two versions of truth. Absolute and pragmatic. Nations, religions, people, exist only in pragmatic reality and not in Absolute reality.

Before independence, there were British and Muslims. They too were not very favorable towards Hindus.
"Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya" (Brahman is the truth, the observed is an illusion)
"Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (All this here is Brahman)

Offline Aupmanyav

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2015, 05:34:08 AM »
.. those who believe in Eastern woo while calling themselves atheist seem to believe that evolution is something other than the blind process that it is.
I could not get your meaning. Evolution is not a blind process. It proceeds according to its experience. When we do not require a tail, it withers.
"Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya" (Brahman is the truth, the observed is an illusion)
"Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (All this here is Brahman)

Offline Aupmanyav

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2015, 05:39:46 AM »
I see them as different expressions of similar psychological needs shaped by social values and norms - essentially the same song, different lyrics, different language. Unlike some other atheists, I don't hate religion but I also don't relate to it personally very well.
While I agree to your first statement, it is not the same song everywhere. Yes, if it is a necessity for many people, why should we hate it? I took my religion and molded it the way I like. :)
"Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya" (Brahman is the truth, the observed is an illusion)
"Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (All this here is Brahman)

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2015, 06:21:18 AM »
I cannot help but notice how quickly swastika boy resorts to all the problems were caused by that group of outsiders who only pretend to be of his race beliefs and other outsiders. His group of course are whiter than white.

Offline Baruch

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2015, 07:05:54 AM »
Of course in the West, we have no caste system (we are all identical clones of the Bee Queen), right?  Bwahaha ... and we have no politics and no nationalism ... pot calling the kettle on the cell phone these days?

Now I do prefer my church/state separation ... and I realize that most people in the world don't have that.  But this poster (Aupmanyav) I think would be fine with individual religious choice ... he isn't like the Hindu fundies who killed Mahatma, and who are strong in India now.  Congress was a moderate party.  But the real goal of BJP is to force all Muslims to Hinduism, and into the untouchable class.  This is class warfare, and religious intolerance ... and will be met with by civil war (not that anyone should want that).  Of BJP, everyone who is not of their party is of Ravana, they are the party of Rama.  Oh, gotta conquer Sri Lanka while they are at it, not just Bangladesh and Pakistan.  I don't have a problem with nationalism myself, just with using it as an opportunity for aggression.  Kurukshetra didn't work out well for anyone, but that is the kind of genocide that is imagined (by people from that culture) rather than the Revelations type.  I am not of either culture, but if I were into megadeath porn ... I would be thinking all the Gentiles would drop dead.  Fortunately I am a merciful type, even though my G-d is like Kali-ma.
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Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2015, 08:07:45 AM »
I am of anglo saxon extraction Edmund Ironside who died in 1016 was the last Anglo-Saxon king, after that Viking rulers, then Normans conquered, etc.
Robert the Bruce was of norman Stock
If we take swastika boys excuse for the Hindus that a thousand years ago they were ruled by others, then the other part of his argument that much that was wrong is the fault of the British does not stand because British history holds exactly the same excuse for the British.

I am saying both pot and Kettle are black, Swastika boy is putting forward the idea his side is all white, and that looks very fundamentalist to me.

Offline peacewithoutgod

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2015, 09:10:15 AM »
Well, think about it - Buddhism and Hinduism have had ~1000 year head start on Xtianity, giving them that much more time to perfect their cloaking techniques from most who would bring the heat to those who are in reality no different from people of said religions. That they still exist prominently in Asian cultures means these religions have made themselves useful in Asian cultures. Their purpose is the same as any religion in any culture, which is to control the population by standing against change. Any religion which was really about true social justice would have been quickly beaten down into oblivion, or it simply never would have caught on big without the support of kings.
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There are two types of ideas: fact and non-fact. Ideas which are not falsifiable are non-fact, therefore please don't insist your fantasies of supernatural beings are in any way factual.

Doctrine = not to be questioned = not to be proven = not fact. When you declare your doctrine fact, you lie.

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2015, 09:14:48 AM »
I could not get your meaning. Evolution is not a blind process. It proceeds according to its experience. When we do not require a tail, it withers.
I am a bit confused by what you mean here.  Evolution does not 'experience' anything.  It is not a thing or force--it is a process.  The process unfolds as it will, with no design or energy or being to guide it.  It just proceeds along it's path and the results are the results.  And the process just keeps rolling along--no beginning, no end.  It just is.  (even my use of the word 'it' to describe evolution is wrong--evolution is just a process, not an 'it'.)
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Aupmanyav

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2015, 10:00:53 AM »
I cannot help but notice how quickly swastika boy resorts to all the problems were caused by that group of outsiders who only pretend to be of his race beliefs and other outsiders. His group of course are whiter than white.
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Azad Hind. That is where we got the slogan 'Jai Hind' (Hail India). We do not worry about things that happened in the past. We are marching on and have to look ahead. Our Dow-Jones crashed 1,700 points yesterday, the biggest fall in some 8 years, but recovered 300 points today.

And the process just keeps rolling along - no beginning, no end. It just is.
"Thus, in successive generations members of a population are replaced by progeny of parents better adapted to survive and reproduce in the biophysical environment in which natural selection takes place." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
It does not roll randomly.
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"Brahma Satyam Jagan-mithya" (Brahman is the truth, the observed is an illusion)
"Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (All this here is Brahman)

Re: Kid Gloves Atheism and Eastern Philosophy
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2015, 10:12:25 AM »
Azad Hind. That is where we got the slogan 'Jai Hind' (Hail India). We do not worry about things that happened in the past. We are marching on and have to look ahead. Our Dow-Jones crashed 1,700 points yesterday, the biggest fall in some 8 years, but recovered 300 points today.

And this said at your post no 1948 the date of 1984s publication! Excellent newspeak.
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