Flying Sphagetti monster - Greatest Atheist Straw man OAT

[leo]

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I don't think he's a troll, I just think he's not viewing his own arguments with the same lense that he's viewing everyone else's in.

Maybe but I have my doubts . He is writing too many bullshit threads .

[Atheon]

If the universe has an underlying intelligence, what's the mechanism for this intelligence?

[SGOS]

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I don't think he's a troll, I just think he's not viewing his own arguments with the same lense that he's viewing everyone else's in.

Maybe but I have my doubts . He is writing too many bullshit threads .

Yeah, I think he's a troll.   Sincere theists usually just posit one dumb ass argument, something they've read someplace, thinking it's some iron clad "You never heard this irrefutable argument before".  Then it gets trashed and they leave.  But this guy seems to be parroting a selection of the most classic dumb ass arguments he can find.  Then when his dumb ass is refuted, he acts obtuse, or as if he didn't read the refutations.  He could be retarded, but his writing ability is above that.  I think he's just being a phony.

[Jason78]

If we examine beliefs humans have held throughout history, although you see a variation of 'Gods', and a stronghold of monotheism, there has always been a belief that the stars, the universe, the cosmos, have originated by a transcendent , intelligence.

People also believed witches were real. A history of believing something is real doesn't automatically make it real.

Does that also apply to my relationship with Lexi Belle?

[Davka]

Poe's Law

[aitm]

*Mod*- you guys are right. If he doesn't respond to some of the posts here and then goes ahead and posts another thread of BS, I will escort him to the door. Play with it while you can.-aitm

[Hydra009]

Yeah, I think he's a troll.   Sincere theists usually just posit one dumb ass argument, something they've read someplace, thinking it's some iron clad "You never heard this irrefutable argument before".  Then it gets trashed and they leave.

This guy does pretty much the same thing, except after it gets trashed, he abandons the thread and starts it all over again in a new thread.  It's a lovely variant that I'm tentatively calling dumb-and-run.

It's almost like he expects us to have goldfish memory and not remember his previous goofs before the forum outage.

Then when his dumb ass is refuted, he acts obtuse, or as if he didn't read the refutations.  He could be retarded, but his writing ability is above that.  I think he's just being a phony.

We has had people who write good and are still retarded.  I'm not ruling out troll, but he's definitely retarded.  And I don't mean that as a slur.  I mean that in the clinical sense of the word.

[Colanth]

Sorry about that, but not only is the idea of a creator NOT universal, it's not even all that common. Most religions have a creation myth that assumes the Earth always existed in some form or another, and that the big deal is the introduction of humans.

Seriously, you should at least do a cursory study of comparative religions before embarrassing yourself like this.

That is actually absolutely false.

See, MR, that's the problem with your arguments.  When faced with a fact (what Davka posted is a fact) that doesn't conform to your preconceived notions, you claim that the fact is wrong.  If your ideas and reality don't agree, it's not reality that's wrong.

And that's why we mostly just make fun of you - because you're acting like a child in this forum.

[SGOS]

I can't figure out why the FSM is a straw man argument.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I can't figure out why the FSM is a straw man argument.

Don't worry, neither can MR

[WitchSabrina]

Yeah, I think he's a troll.   Sincere theists usually just posit one dumb ass argument, something they've read someplace, thinking it's some iron clad "You never heard this irrefutable argument before".  Then it gets trashed and they leave.

This guy does pretty much the same thing, except after it gets trashed, he abandons the thread and starts it all over again in a new thread.  It's a lovely variant that I'm tentatively calling dumb-and-run.

It's almost like he expects us to have goldfish memory and not remember his previous goofs before the forum outage.

Then when his dumb ass is refuted, he acts obtuse, or as if he didn't read the refutations.  He could be retarded, but his writing ability is above that.  I think he's just being a phony.

We has had people who write good and are still retarded.  I'm not ruling out troll, but he's definitely retarded.  And I don't mean that as a slur.  I mean that in the clinical sense of the word.

 =D>

[SilentFutility]

Quite often we see people comparing belief in an underlying intelligence to our universe as akin to believing in mythical creatures, fairies, and one particularly mildly amusing comparison I have seen – lobsters!

Wrong. This is not the point of FSM.

The point in these comparisons is to demonstrate the absurdity of believing in something for which there is no evidence. There is no more or less evidence for the existence of a Christian-like god than there is for an omnipotent flying spaghetti monster.

The specific beliefs themselves are not important, the lack of evidence is. Even if we take the existence of an omnipotent being as a given, there is still absolutely no evidence to suggest what form it takes. If someone told you to believe in an omnipotent flying spaghetti monster without a shred of evidence you'd laugh in their face, so why should it be any different when someone tells you to believe in a slightly different omnipotent being without a shred of evidence?

Evidence (or lack thereof) is the key.

[Davka]

I can't figure out why the FSM is a straw man argument.

Yeah, me neither. I mean, it's so obviously a spaghetti-man argument!

[SilentFutility]

What's a god?

I believe we've gone through this with MR before. His definition of his god (Allah) is whatever he wants it to be, every other description be damned.

Remember when I used his reasoning to evidence why I'm actually god and he can't disprove it? Oh lol

lulz can be had, but good luck using reasoning and evidence to convince this one of anything other than what he wants to hear, which is "wow you're such a genius and a special little snowflake, everything you say is so enlightened!".

[VaasMontenegro]

What an atheist incorrectly does is labels the word 'God' to mean something totally imagined, rather than a universal and almost instinctive realisation of an underlying intelligence and transcendent cause of our universe.
Note, I have not tried to prove our universe must have a transcendent cause by argument. I have merely asserted on the surface, it seems as if our universe does have  a transcendent cause, and societies all throughout history have held a belief in such a reality.

False.

What YOU incorrectly do is to assume that the idea of god has existed since the dawn of time, when in fact, the idea (which is all it is) has only been around so long as people like you have failed to understand the true nature of things, or rather, have not sought to understand the true nature of things.

You want to believe that there is something greater than yourself, which is understandable of course, but simply allowing yourself to believe this, and indeed lying to yourself, does not make it true. Just because science cannot (YET) say what pre-dated the universe, does NOT in any way even HINT that a god exists nor does it mean anyone can substitute god into that gap. Science WILL one day (likely within our lifetimes) discover what pre-dates the universe, and in fact, String Theory is already beginning to show us that God isn't even necessary, (by allowing us to - at least in part- understand what pre-dates the universe)