Author Topic: Is donating to charity truly selfless?  (Read 6901 times)

Offline stromboli

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2013, 11:43:00 AM »
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Another post for me !

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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2013, 01:15:55 PM »
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"
There is no such thing as a selfless act, nor should there be. Satisfaction, alleviation of guilt, pride, compassion, whatever the motivation is, if there are no material benefits, you're doing it for emotional benefits. What kind of moral inversion would it take for someone to truly give selflessly, not only with no thought of reward, but not even personal satisfaction or a fleeting warm fuzzy feeling or a sense of accomplishment in one more step of paying off your debt to society? If you give your life for someone else, it's because you value their life more than your own, or because you value being the kind of person to risk that more than you value being alive. I'm with Mr. Twain on this one.

It's no skin off my nose whether I would approve of the reasons you give, I'm just glad that you do.

Good over-all replies guys,

This post and those who posted along these lines particularly resonated with me. Any act you do had either a physical or emotional consequence, no matter how abstract, there is some benefit, whatever ' benefit ' even is.
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Offline leo

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2013, 04:08:08 PM »
Quote from: "stromboli"
Quote from: "leo"
Another post for me !

And yet only a fish......... :roll:
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2013, 03:38:44 AM »
Quote from: "mendacium remedium"
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"
There is no such thing as a selfless act, nor should there be. Satisfaction, alleviation of guilt, pride, compassion, whatever the motivation is, if there are no material benefits, you're doing it for emotional benefits. What kind of moral inversion would it take for someone to truly give selflessly, not only with no thought of reward, but not even personal satisfaction or a fleeting warm fuzzy feeling or a sense of accomplishment in one more step of paying off your debt to society? If you give your life for someone else, it's because you value their life more than your own, or because you value being the kind of person to risk that more than you value being alive. I'm with Mr. Twain on this one.

It's no skin off my nose whether I would approve of the reasons you give, I'm just glad that you do.

Good over-all replies guys,

This post and those who posted along these lines particularly resonated with me. Any act you do had either a physical or emotional consequence, no matter how abstract, there is some benefit, whatever ' benefit ' even is.

So you are admitting that there are no selfless acts, even the acts of charity done in secret by muslims are selfish?
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Offline Shiranu

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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2013, 06:20:51 AM »
We are social creatures and we are reward-actions creatures, I would be more surprised if we DIDN'T do good things for "selfish" reasons.

Though to me, selfish implies harming others (or putting yourself first) over getting a treat for doing something good, so I am not entirely sure I agree with that either.

Offline leo

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2013, 09:45:22 AM »
Is flushing the toilet truly selfless ?
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Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2013, 09:54:05 AM »
Quote from: "leo"
Is flushing the toilet truly selfless ?

Are we talking a quick courtesy flush here?  And how many people do you live with?

Have you recently had asparagus or a curry?
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Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2013, 03:34:38 PM »
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "leo"
Is flushing the toilet truly selfless ?

Are we talking a quick courtesy flush here?  And how many people do you live with?

Have you recently had asparagus or a curry?

Your own shit never smells as bad as other peoples, so it might actually be selfless to flush. Especially in a public washroom.
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Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2013, 04:52:56 AM »
Is it selfish to do something rather to make yourself feel better?

If yes, would it be considered "selfish" if I give a few bucks to a panhandler on the street merely to relieve my own distress upon seeing his predicament?"

Offline Plu

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2013, 04:57:27 AM »
Rebooting this discussion, it seems mostly that we must ask: what is "selfless"?, before we answer the original question.

Depending on what we consider a "selfless act", can we determine whether donating to charity can be it. And it'll probably vary from person to person.

Offline SGOS

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« Reply #25 on: June 25, 2013, 07:53:15 AM »
Quote from: "Mister Agenda"
There is no such thing as a selfless act, nor should there be. Satisfaction, alleviation of guilt, pride, compassion, whatever the motivation is, if there are no material benefits, you're doing it for emotional benefits.
+  Spot on.  There's payback in every act of charity, just as there's a payback in every act of miserly refusal to aid another person or group.  Only a computer program could disperse charitable donations without experiencing something.

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #26 on: June 25, 2013, 08:04:49 AM »
Does it even matter if it's selfless or not? If I donated a million to X, assuming I had a billion to squander and the media made a big deal of it it's still a million to X media or not. If I give a few cigarettes to some schmoe here at the VOA and the media ignores it it's still a few cigarettes.
Of course I never help out a stranger here unless the TV crews are here to note how generous I am helping some guy out with bus fare.. Fair is fair...right?
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Offline SGOS

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2013, 08:40:15 AM »
I would like to donate a million dollars to a Hall of Fame that pays homage to people who donate selflessly to charity.  They would call it the SGOS Hall of Fame of Charitable Contributions.  It would have a Bronze statue of me in the Great Hall.  The hall would be acoustically designed to amplify the echoing murmurs of visitors as they talk about me and read the various plaques listing some of my most humanitarian contributions and recalling my life of charitable anonymity.  Hall of Fame guides would explain to visitors why I decided to create the edifice as a way of encouraging others to give selflessly of themselves.  It would serve as a beacon of  selfless charity and set a benchmark toward which others could strive.

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #28 on: June 25, 2013, 11:43:43 AM »
Quote from: "SGOS"
I would like to donate a million dollars to a Hall of Fame that pays homage to people who donate selflessly to charity.  They would call it the SGOS Hall of Fame of Charitable Contributions.  It would have a Bronze statue of me in the Great Hall.  The hall would be acoustically designed to amplify the echoing murmurs of visitors as they talk about me and read the various plaques listing some of my most humanitarian contributions and recalling my life of charitable anonymity.  Hall of Fame guides would explain to visitors why I decided to create the edifice as a way of encouraging others to give selflessly of themselves.  It would serve as a beacon of  selfless charity and set a benchmark toward which others could strive.


I'm so inspired..........where do I send the money?
 :rollin:
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Offline SGOS

Re: Is donating to charity truly selfless?
« Reply #29 on: June 25, 2013, 11:52:36 AM »
Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "SGOS"
I would like to donate a million dollars to a Hall of Fame that pays homage to people who donate selflessly to charity.  They would call it the SGOS Hall of Fame of Charitable Contributions.  It would have a Bronze statue of me in the Great Hall.  The hall would be acoustically designed to amplify the echoing murmurs of visitors as they talk about me and read the various plaques listing some of my most humanitarian contributions and recalling my life of charitable anonymity.  Hall of Fame guides would explain to visitors why I decided to create the edifice as a way of encouraging others to give selflessly of themselves.  It would serve as a beacon of  selfless charity and set a benchmark toward which others could strive.


I'm so inspired..........where do I send the money?
 :rollin:
Send it to me directly.  You'll have a special room devoted to your selfless act, where people can admire your bust, which will be centrally located on a pedestal with a commemorative plaque.