Author Topic: Debate with KingJ  (Read 1916 times)

Offline dtq123 (OP)

Debate with KingJ
« on: July 16, 2015, 07:46:45 PM »
I hereby publicly wish to publicly debate KingJ on the matter of religion. I will prove to KingJ that a belief in Atheism is rational. I have said in my past that I have nothing against religion and I stand by that.

I am going to prove that Atheism is rational, and nothing more

I will debate only under two conditions:

a. The Burden of Proof is on me to convince you that I am rational in the belief that there is no biblical god. If I fail at this attempt, only my belief is at stake, since there are many types of atheism. Thus you also surrender your right to insult my other friends based on their believes.

b. Semantics are to be defined at the beginning of the round, as are basic questions about belief. This is to prevent any of us from moving the goal posts.

The following questions are to be answered before the debate starts:

1. Does god exist?

2. Does god of the bible exist?

3. Does god have to love all his creations?

4. Does god have the power to know anything?

5. Does god have the power to do anything?

6. Does god have the power to contradict himself?

7. Does god have the power to make decisions?

8. Does god have the power to change what is right and wrong?

9. Does god have the power to give freewill to his creations?

10. Does god have the power to be surprised?

11. Does god have the power to be hateful?

11. Does Satan exist?

12. Does your god require worship?

13. Does your god have a divine plan?

14. Is the creation story true?

15. Is Jesus the son of God?

16. Is Jesus God?

17. Is your god perfect?

18. Is the bible meant to be taken literally?

19. Is the god of the Old Testament the same as the god in the New Testament?

20. Do you accept all the answers above as your final answers?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2015, 12:04:01 AM by dtq123 »
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Offline doorknob

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2015, 10:20:33 PM »
becareful. Make sure the burden of proof is where it should be. The burden of proof is with him since he is making a case for the existence of something not the other way around.

Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2015, 10:32:30 PM »
Make sure the burden of proof is where it should be.
I started it, so I think I should have the BoP. I've been on debate sites and a general consensus is that either:

The challenger has the BoP (Me)

The person against the default position based on agreement (KingJ does not think atheism is default, nullifies this)

The BoP is shared (KingJ won't take it if it is like that, nullifies this)
« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 10:41:29 PM by dtq123 »
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Offline doorknob

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 10:35:54 PM »
I'm not saying you should never take the burden of proof if you are quite confident in your debate skills. I just think the burden of proof is always on the person making the claim. No claim is the default position. imho

At any rate I would love to see this debate unfold if it happens.

Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2015, 10:44:11 PM »
I just think the burden of proof is always on the person making the claim. No claim is the default position.
See my clever edit below, see if you can find it
I'm not saying you should never take the burden of proof if you are quite confident in your debate skills.
I'm actually a novice and have been watching to learn. I'm more into Socratic discourse instead :eyes:
At any rate I would love to see this debate unfold if it happens.
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« Last Edit: July 16, 2015, 10:46:44 PM by dtq123 »
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Offline doorknob

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2015, 10:59:45 PM »
Matt Dillahunty now has his own channel on youtube some videos are dedicated to help you be better at debates.

I recommend watching a few of his videos just for the heck of it. You can start with this one.


Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2015, 11:28:59 PM »
Matt Dillahunty now has his own channel on youtube some videos are dedicated to help you be better at debates.

I recommend watching a few of his videos just for the heck of it. You can start with this one.
Thanks ^^ Let's hope for the best!
And I'm a good "target" since I don't mind being irrational. :eyes:
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Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2015, 08:12:04 PM »
This should be good, one side saying God exists with no proof, and the other saying He doesn't with no proof----GOD
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Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2015, 09:20:33 PM »
This should be good, one side saying God exists with no proof, and the other saying He doesn't with no proof.
Define Proof!

I'll do you one better: His proof is the bible, and my proof is the very qualities of the deity in the bible.

Does that make sense to you? No one believes because there is no proof, only invalid proof.
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Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2015, 09:43:43 PM »
The positive claim here is that Atheism is more rational.  This is not a debate about the existence of God, although the existence of God is a factor.

Given that the positive claim is that Atheism is more rational, the burden of proof is on dtq123 to demonstrate that Atheism is more rational.

But I have not seen any response form KingJ.
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Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2015, 12:22:43 AM »
The positive claim here is that Atheism is more rational.  This is not a debate about the existence of God, although the existence of God is a factor.

Given that the positive claim is that Atheism is more rational, the burden of proof is on dtq123 to demonstrate that Atheism is more rational.

But I have not seen any response form KingJ.
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Seriously though, Dafaq is KingJ? :think:
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Offline dtq123 (OP)

Re: Debate with KingJ
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2015, 04:39:18 PM »
I hereby publicly wish to publicly debate KingJ on the matter of religion. I will prove to KingJ that a belief in Atheism is rational. I have said in my past that I have nothing against religion and I stand by that.

I am going to prove that Atheism is rational, and nothing more

I will debate only under two conditions:

a. The Burden of Proof is on me to convince you that I am rational in the belief that there is no biblical god. If I fail at this attempt, only my belief is at stake, since there are many types of atheism. Thus you also surrender your right to insult my other friends based on their believes.

b. Semantics are to be defined at the beginning of the round, as are basic questions about belief. This is to prevent any of us from moving the goal posts.

The following questions are to be answered before the debate starts:

1. Does god exist?

2. Does god of the bible exist?

3. Does god have to love all his creations?

4. Does god have the power to know anything?

5. Does god have the power to do anything?

6. Does god have the power to contradict himself?

7. Does god have the power to make decisions?

8. Does god have the power to change what is right and wrong?

9. Does god have the power to give freewill to his creations?

10. Does god have the power to be surprised?

11. Does god have the power to be hateful?

11. Does Satan exist?

12. Does your god require worship?

13. Does your god have a divine plan?

14. Is the creation story true?

15. Is Jesus the son of God?

16. Is Jesus God?

17. Is your god perfect?

18. Is the bible meant to be taken literally?

19. Is the god of the Old Testament the same as the god in the New Testament?

20. Do you accept all the answers above as your final answers?
At least politely decline KingJ. Come on.
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