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Offline Baruch

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2015, 09:14:54 PM »
Exactly, but my tribe is better than your tribe, and so if you tribe has stuff we want (oil) then we are going to come and take it from you ... or at least negotiate terms favorable to my tribe ;-(
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Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2015, 09:23:04 PM »
While religion is not a primary cause of racism or tribalism, it serves to reinforce racism and/or tribalism (I personally see no difference between racism or tribalism). Which is the one of the purposes of religion...it is a tool for order.
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Offline aitm

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2015, 09:54:11 PM »
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While religion is not a primary cause of racism or tribalism, it serves to reinforce racism and/or tribalism (I personally see no difference between racism or tribalism). Which is the one of the purposes of religion...it is a tool for order.
This is also the reason religion is so cultural and regional. If a real god existed muslims might suddenly exclaim," jesus came to me in a dream" or christians may say, "mohammad spoke to me last night"…alas, this does not happen. People believe in the god their culture created, which happens to explain why prayers are equally ineffective to any god.
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Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2015, 10:47:05 PM »
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People believe in the god their culture created, which happens to explain why prayers are equally ineffective to any god.

A person's god is the embodiment of their culture just as a culture's sacred law is nothing more than their prejuduce and taboos made sacred.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2015, 11:02:30 PM »
You can find out the most about a person, by finding out what is taboo to them.  And a person can find out the most about themselves, by confronting those taboos.  Not that you have to go all sociopath or psychopath ... but being unconscious of the most critical parts of oneself ... isn't enlightenment.  Anyway, that was Freud's theory.

On the other hand, individuals within a given culture, can be three sigma away from the norm.  Their god won't be Norm ;-)
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Offline aitm

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2015, 09:43:07 AM »
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A person's god is the embodiment of their culture just as a culture's sacred law is nothing more than their prejuduce and taboos made sacred.

Which is another of a very long list as to why a gods "existence" is dependent upon those who believe in it. Proof that gods are invented by man. Either they all exist, or none exist.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2015, 10:51:28 AM »
"gods" certainly exist in the minds of any that believe in them.  Humans have that kind of power of creation ... our fictions are real, on a personal, and sometimes collective plane.  This is why we are capable of manifesting Hell ... all we have to do is believe in it and desire it ... and at least in people's minds, it exists.  Unfortunately what lies in the Id (see Forbidden Planet) often manifests itself into the daylight!

The metaphysical hypothesis of G-d is something else.  It is an attempt, usually Eastern, to grasp the greatest metaphysical generalization.  But such generalizations are intellectually empty ... intellect is found in the particular, not the general.  Imagine two people playing chess.  Now imagine they are playing only in their minds without chess pieces or a chess board.  Next imagine that there are no players.  But what is metaphysical can be indirectly experienced however.
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Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #22 on: August 09, 2015, 01:53:47 PM »
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"gods" certainly exist in the minds of any that believe in them.  Humans have that kind of power of creation ... our fictions are real, on a personal, and sometimes collective plane.  This is why we are capable of manifesting Hell ... all we have to do is believe in it and desire it ... and at least in people's minds, it exists.  Unfortunately what lies in the Id (see Forbidden Planet) often manifests itself into the daylight!

The metaphysical hypothesis of G-d is something else.  It is an attempt, usually Eastern, to grasp the greatest metaphysical generalization.  But such generalizations are intellectually empty ... intellect is found in the particular, not the general.  Imagine two people playing chess.  Now imagine they are playing only in their minds without chess pieces or a chess board.  Next imagine that there are no players.  But what is metaphysical can be indirectly experienced however.

Very nice…in layman's language…shit be made up.
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Offline Baruch

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2015, 05:23:35 PM »
Of course, we make things up.  That is what children do.  Fancy doth run where it will.  It is Plato that supposes that we have a magic Greek male organ that allows us to see reality.

Maybe 3-d glasses from the movie theater, while watching Avatar?  What you see is the post-processing rendition of a 2-d image on your two retinas, a rendition that can be imaged electrically on the back side of your cerebrum (above the cerebellum).  Images that originally were upside down, and can be pre-processed using something called glasses/contacts.  Really not all that different from Disney processes.  Unfortunately the only way you can "get out" of your avatar body while marooned on this barbarous planet, is by dying.  In any case, the illusion of existing and moving in 3-d is very convincing, given that what you actually experience is inside your head, not outside it ... as virtual reality systems will approximate better and better.

So it may be shit, but is very sophisticated, not developed by Disney Imagineers ... and not the result of random couplings of atoms.
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Offline aitm

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2015, 07:46:22 PM »
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Of course, we make things up.  That is what children do.  Fancy doth run where it will.  It is Plato that supposes that we have a magic Greek male organ that allows us to see reality.

Maybe 3-d glasses from the movie theater, while watching Avatar?  What you see is the post-processing rendition of a 2-d image on your two retinas, a rendition that can be imaged electrically on the back side of your cerebrum (above the cerebellum).  Images that originally were upside down, and can be pre-processed using something called glasses/contacts.  Really not all that different from Disney processes.  Unfortunately the only way you can "get out" of your avatar body while marooned on this barbarous planet, is by dying.  In any case, the illusion of existing and moving in 3-d is very convincing, given that what you actually experience is inside your head, not outside it ... as virtual reality systems will approximate better and better.

So it may be shit, but is very sophisticated, not developed by Disney Imagineers ... and not the result of random couplings of atoms.
cool, rinse and repeat.
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Offline drunkenshoe

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2015, 02:53:46 AM »
I would argue that all religions were born of racism. (Not in the modern sense of course) Beacuse first of all, believing in a supernatural power(s) has nothing to do with a religious sytem that 'outlaws' another by nature and just to regulate the daily life in ancient times. They needed to survive and do everything they needed by themselves. Humans needed every kind of man power to deal with nature.

Yes may be humans usually have the tendency of not to like others who doesn't look like them as a raw animal habit, but religion is the systematic way to institutionalise that shit.

Christians are christians, because they were born in a christian country. Muslims are the same. Jews are more in a family community manner, but the root is the same. I tend to think that one of the reasons the so-called montheistic religions, abrahamic ones emerged and got successful at some point in human history, when societies some sort of 'developed' into a certain pahses in specific areas.

However, we shouldn't forget it was much different a couple of hundreds of years ago. The Nationalism, racism...and from that the tribalism we are trying to figure out looking back is all determined by French Revolution and the understanding it brought. Modern State. Before that there weren't national armies, national languages...no real policies -nor the technology- to manipulate masses in to certain one type of understanding. Railways and first newspapers are among the most important 'unifiers'. They imposed one language in one area and there was the needed better transportation.



The religion called Islam is a result of some project of unifying a certain tribe to begin with. Same with Judaism. Jesus defined as a king. And his is a kingdom. Christendom.










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Offline Baruch

Re: The concept of ALL religions IS the cause of racism. OP/ED........
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2015, 06:38:56 AM »
There is a trajectory from hunting band, to tribe, to kingdom, to empire, to nation, to NWO.  The larger the society, the greater power.  But the NWO is "peak" politics, and necessarily imperial.  At each stage there was the need for a unifying theology and eventually unifying ideology.  Religion in the USA is different, because it is an amalgam of theology and ideology ... where you have two primary ideologies and two primary theologies.  Smaller nations usually have one theology and one ideology, but sometimes not, like Iraq.  Nearly secular countries like GB have no theologies.  Homogenous societies are at a power disadvantage, because their growth is capped by their reproduction rate.  Heterogenous societies are at a stability disadvantage, see Rome or China.
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