In 180 seconds you'll be voting for Bernie Sanders. .

Started by AllPurposeAtheist, June 13, 2015, 12:39:07 PM

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AllPurposeAtheist

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Quote from: Shiranu on June 13, 2015, 08:03:43 PM
No way. Clinton's brand is just too well established.
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Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on June 13, 2015, 08:33:15 PM
Just like 2008?

I am a fan of Obama, but the only reason he edged ahead is because of his skin colour and a bit more progressive message. Sanders doesn't have any great marketable factor like Obama/Clinton have, and I don't believe the majority of Americans are politically literate enough to be swayed by his message.

Edit: Got 95% agreement with Sanders on that test... next closest was Hillary at 65%. Got Jeb Bush at 37% and that one idiot at 27%... for foreign policy... what the fuck? And I got pretty strongly left wing, which is what I have been getting for years now.
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It's really going to come down to how well the progressive wing of the Democratic party is able to turn out the vote.  The democratic party without the progressive wing doesn't seem to be able to get out the vote for squat.
Even though dKos has officially put its weight behind HRC if you read the comments almost nobody supports her, but Bernie is the clear front runner by a large margin of posters. . A lot is going to depend on if Bernie can get his message out to the masses. If he gets enough exposure folks might just realize he's the ONLY serious one in any of the races. I'd like to think people are tired of gimmicks and sound byte candidates.
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Quote from: Shiranu on June 13, 2015, 08:42:56 PM
I am a fan of Obama, but the only reason he edged ahead is because of his skin colour and a bit more progressive message. Sanders doesn't have any great marketable factor like Obama/Clinton have, and I don't believe the majority of Americans are politically literate enough to be swayed by his message.

Edit: Got 95% agreement with Sanders on that test... next closest was Hillary at 65%. Got Jeb Bush at 37% and that one idiot at 27%... for foreign policy... what the fuck? And I got pretty strongly left wing, which is what I have been getting for years now.
Yeah, I got 95% too.  But I got 80% for Hillary.  Fine minds think alike---yes?! :)
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platatomi

I was voting for Bernie before I joined this site. 😃

Hydra009

If only the primary took place at AF instead of Iowa.  This guy would be a shoo-in.

Sal1981

Wow, this guy should be President ... 40 years ago, why isn't he now? Serious question, not rhetorical.

trdsf

I have been a fan of Bernie for 25 years now, and there have been times I've had to adopt him as my representative because my local one didn't represent me.  I'm looking forward to voting for him in the Ohio primary.

To be honest, I'm still expecting to end up voting for Hillary in the general (and I don't mean 'end up' as in as the lesser of two evils, I think she'll make a terrific president), but Bernie's talking like Democrats used to talk, and I miss that, and I want that back in my party.  If Dems are going to just bitch and moan and then shrug and go along with Boehner and McConnell and behave like "Republican lite", that's why they're losing elections -- if both sides are going to behave like Republicans, the voter's just going to vote for the one that actually carries the label.

Bernie is perfectly happy to take the fight to them -- and with any luck will move Hillary a little to the left.

Oh, jeez.  I just imagined a ticket of Bernie Sanders and former San Antonio mayor/current HUD secretary Julián Castro.  That sends a shiver up the spine.
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Shiranu

QuoteOh, jeez.  I just imagined a ticket of Bernie Sanders and former San Antonio mayor/current HUD secretary Julián Castro.  That sends a shiver up the spine.

I quite like Castro, growing up right outside his representation. I am just afraid the Democratic party will make him step in line with them too much, and he will have to because it's what the party wants.
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trdsf

Quote from: Shiranu on June 14, 2015, 03:38:38 AM
I quite like Castro, growing up right outside his representation. I am just afraid the Democratic party will make him step in line with them too much, and he will have to because it's what the party wants.
Yeah, but even a lockstep Dem Castro is vastly preferable to... well, everyone running on the other side.
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drunkenshoe

You godless socialists! You'll destory America, voting for people like this! What's next? Taxing the church?! :p
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Brian37

While it is unlikely he will win, with him and Warren pushing back, they are going to force both parties to address those subjects. Our political system has been way overdue with voices like his.

I am tired of some painting both parties as the same. One is the issue of the system, and the other is the issue of the voters and human empathy. Democratic voters are on the right side of history as far as pay, equal pay for women, women's reproductive rights, health care and eduecation and equal rights for LGBT community.

Where our voters have failed though for far too long is midterms. The more our voters speak out and show up in all local state and national elections, the better things will get for the long term.

The cause of our 30 year decline has been the top and the right using blackmail and money to bully the entire congress, and democratic politicians have for far too long allowed their sense of cooperation to allow them to be pulled to the right. But as far as ideas, democrats are the party of the worker and the party of equality.

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Hasn't Bernie done this before?  Or am I thinking of someone else?