Pill: Viagra for the female brain

Started by SGOS, February 17, 2015, 11:28:17 AM

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SGOS

http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-little-pink-pill-and-the-drugs-resubmission-for-fda-approval-031600521.html

Some women have low sex drive.  Some women have none at all.  OK, not too much reason to doubt that.  Now there is a pill that according to the pharmaceutical companies, affects areas of women's brains that stimulate sexual desire.  But the FDA has already turned it down once, saying that it has no effect, and has harmful side effects.  But according to the media, enough women suffering from hypoactive sexual desire disorder (a diagnosis started by pharmaceutical companies but recently taken off the list of medical disorders recognized by the AMA) are clamoring for the pill, and the FDA will consider it again.

Surrounding the scientific body of current knowledge, there is a whole lot of non-scientific political debate taking place.  Much of it seems suspect on the surface, but then the science may not be all that conclusive, either (Keep in mind it's a government agency in charge).  Some activists for the drug are claiming the FDA is being sexist, by not allowing the drug.  The FDA is saying, "No, we can't find any data showing it works and it might be harmful."

There are a lot of interesting angles being presented.  Many might deserve skepticism.  Some may be propaganda from drug companies.  Some may deserve more consideration.  I found it an interesting debate.  I have no idea if the pill works, or if one could be developed.  But it's interesting.

dtq123

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SGOS

Quote from: dtq123 on February 17, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
Don't give it to the elderly, please!
:oak:
It might be a big item in frat houses.

Aroura33

I'm with the FDA and the docs on this. Low Desire in women is NOT THE SAME as ED in men. There ARE actual sexual dysfunctions in women, but low desire is usually a side effect of something else.  If you are overworked, or just had a baby, or fighting with your partner, or taking a SSRI (which like 1/3 of women are nowadays), then those things are causing the low desire.

I suffered from it for a year or more after having my daughter, and I'm guessing that was my body's natural way of telling me to NOT have another baby for a little while.  My brain doesn't know I had my tubes tied.  But I still feel that the lower se drive during that period was normal.

When I get depressed or stressed out, my sex drive can drop to 0% and stay there for a long time.  When it started hurting my relationship, instead of taking a pill, I use "natural" treatments, like taking a relaxing bath to unwind the stress, snuggling with my hubby, watching porn that appeals to me, and talking thorugh any issues I'm having with hubby.  Usually some combination of thse things works.

Now that I'm 40, its a LOT more work to get turned on. Sometimes it doesn't kick in until, well, actual stimulation is happening.  I know this about myself, so

Also, a glass of wine or a little hit of weed can really improve my libido.  I

And if the FDA and doctors say this particular pill doesn't work AND it has terrible side effects....then freaking listen!  People need to stop taking a pill for everything.  Sometimes, things take time and work.
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aitm

Seriously my wife needs this....seriously. Ima go pray to ricky martin for it to happen.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

stromboli

Quote from: aitm on February 17, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
Seriously my wife needs this....seriously. Ima go pray to ricky martin for it to happen.

So happy to know we've progressed from "slip em' the mickey" to animal tranquilizers to, uh, this. Anybody remember Spanish Fly?

SGOS

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Quote from: stromboli on February 17, 2015, 03:38:54 PM
So happy to know we've progressed from "slip em' the mickey" to animal tranquilizers to, uh, this. Anybody remember Spanish Fly?
There's been a lot of mythical treatments and magical substances that were supposed to get women to want to have sex, so I'm skeptical about this one.  Yet 15 years ago, who would have thought there would be a pill to give guys a boner?  And 45 years ago, who would have believed women wanted to have sex to begin with?  That was before birth control pills, so I guess they had good reason for caution.   So who knows?  Better living through Bayer might be right around the corner.

Jason78

Is the female sex drive really something that needs to be fixed?

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Solitary

I get a kick out of psychologists and psychiatrists. They can't even say what is normal, yet they know what isn't. There is a movie I recently saw where a girl is trying to get off with a shower spray and couldn't until she was told to think of Farah Faucet. How many Catholic girls, or prudish religious teachings, and society say they are whores or sluts and can't enjoy sex because it is instilled in their heads by Puritans passed down by generation to generation it is dirty or a sin unless they are married and can get pregnant, and if they enjoy it they feel guilty? Fuck all the uptight misogynists, including women, that think women shouldn't enjoy sex like men do from antiquated religious bull shit. Did any of these idiots realized most woman can not get off unless their clitoris is stimulated. The lesbians know this! Most men are really stupid when it comes to woman. Solitary 
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

dtq123

Quote from: Solitary on February 19, 2015, 05:26:18 PM
Most men are really stupid when it comes to woman. Solitary
I agree, but be careful of old women chasing after you. I prefer teens, they be so young. :wink2:
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Festive cheer does not help much.
What is this, "Justice?"

stromboli

Yeah, feed some of that to a Nymphomaniac and send her into a veteran's retirement home. Could be fun.

Solitary

Quote from: dtq123 on February 17, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
Don't give it to the elderly, please!

:oak:
Quote from: dtq123 on February 17, 2015, 12:13:58 PM
Don't give it to the elderly, please!

:oak:
You are heading in that direction faster than you think! He! He!
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Desdinova

Quote from: dtq123 on February 19, 2015, 11:04:46 PM
I agree, but be careful of old women chasing after you. I prefer teens, they be so young. :wink2:

The great thing about growing old is that the spectrum of what you would fuck expands tremendously.  Trust me.  :winkle:
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Waiting, for your modern messiah
To take away all the hatred
That darkens the light in your eye"
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Aletheia

Hm... guess I don't fit the stereotypical woman. My sex drive is about on par with men. If I could, I'd have sex at least once a day, preferably before I left for work or right before I go to sleep. SSRI's have little effect on my libido - about the most they do is drop it down to wanting sex about 3 or 4 times a week.

However, one does have to take into account that the average woman's libido will have been adjusted by evolution. A stressed woman in prehistoric times may have been stressed out due to life-threatening situations, which pretty much meant that it was not a good time to have children. Furthermore, if their partner is stressed or not acting particularly friendly or cooperative, then the libido could be affected since the mind could affect the body as though the stressful situation was possibly life-threatening. We mustn't forget that women are the ones who carry the offspring to term. For the body to make a 9 month commitment and be physically vulnerable, the woman needs to be in a favourable environment. Continuous or extreme stress are the only indicators the body has to go by, and stress of modern day are indistinguishable from the stress of prehistoric times. 

Women's libidos are probably working as in accordance with evolution. Is a pill necessary or would it be better long-term to find ways to reduce the stress?
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dtq123

Can I come over?  :eyes:

Seriously though, you seem right on the evolutionary side of low libido in women.
A dark cloud looms over.
Festive cheer does not help much.
What is this, "Justice?"