Atheist presuppositions?

[Brian37]

Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
2) Materialism
3) uncaused effects
4) many many more.


Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.

Take it with a grain of salt, they also have invisible friends so to lecture us on what we presume is absurd.

[the_antithesis]

Now, what presuppositions are there for atheism?
Only one.
It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.

What's a god?

[Solitary]

Is a stupid rock falling off a cliff responsible for killing a baby in a carriage? Of course it is, just like OJ doing what he did. The idea that you have to have freewill to be responsible is bogus. The law should be about protecting society not punishing people for emotional reasons just like the ones that do a crime. Only religion can come up with freewill and justifying retribution for sin. Cause and effect doesn't mean this caused that, it means a history of events cause this and that. There was an old man that developed a brain tumor and became a pedophile, was he responsible for what he did? Yes, but and should be punished? He had the tumor removed and was no longer a threat to children. It's the animal and emotions in us that causes threats to society that make us responsible, and why the law should be about protecting society by removing our actions based on emotional physical retribution, in my opinion. Isn't this what it means to be mature and civilized---to control ones emotions so one does not do harm.  Solitary

[GSOgymrat]

The only thing atheism is, is the the lack of belief of god and religion. Period. All other philosophies and bullshit has nothing necessarily to do with it.

Thank you. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

[Munch]

Thank you. I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

Because to such people, the idea of there not being a god is not even a possibility, like breathing. And so when they are confronted by someone who doesn't believe, they either think the person is playing a joke on them, or trying to wind them up, and some even react like a cornered animal at such a differing aspect. Its not just a belief to some people, its so ingrained in there psych their brains might explode trying to understand it. Every thought will always come back to 'but god done it' 

[PickelledEggs]

Because to such people, the idea of there not being a god is not even a possibility, like breathing. And so when they are confronted by someone who doesn't believe, they either think the person is playing a joke on them, or trying to wind them up, and some even react like a cornered animal at such a differing aspect. Its not just a belief to some people, its so ingrained in there psych their brains might explode trying to understand it. Every thought will always come back to 'but god done it' 

The thing is.... even many atheists think there is more things attached to being an atheist than just not believing in god. I was at a party the other day and I was talking to someone that was saying something similar.... that he isn't an atheists. But because I knew from earlier conversations, he didn't believe in a god. His assumptions that atheists have more philosophy than just not believing in a god made him, an atheist, think that he wasn't an atheist.

Honestly, I don't really care if someone calls them self a duck, but if a person doesn't believe in gods, they're an atheist whether they want to be called one because of the stigma attached to it or not.

[Munch]

The thing is.... even many atheists think there is more things attached to being an atheist than just not believing in god. I was at a party the other day and I was talking to someone that was saying something similar.... that he isn't an atheists. But because I knew from earlier conversations, he didn't believe in a god. His assumptions that atheists have more philosophy than just not believing in a god made him, an atheist, think that he wasn't an atheist.

Honestly, I don't really care if someone calls them self a duck, but if a person doesn't believe in gods, they're an atheist whether they want to be called one because of the stigma attached to it or not.

I've heard people use that same argument with there sexuality, they can't just be decided on one, they can't just be gay, straight, bi or pansexual, it not trendy enough and don't want a 'label' over there identity.

[PickelledEggs]

I've heard people use that same argument with there sexuality, they can't just be decided on one, they can't just be gay, straight, bi or pansexual, it not trendy enough and don't want a 'label' over there identity.

I've actually don't remember ever hearing the term pansexual before. You learn something every day.
But yeah. It's not a matter of labels, it's just that it....  Is. If you don't believe in God, you're an atheist. And it's as simple as that.

Sent from your mom.

[Faisal]

Atheist presuppositions?

Atheism is not incompatible with an appreciation of the Divine. All too often a superficial, theist belief in God may be no more than an idolatrous image of thought that obscures the true Divine.

Many theists say that atheism has many presuppositions:
1) No free will
2) Materialism
3) uncaused effects
4) many many more.
Only one.It might be possible that the universe can exist without a god.

I am inclined to think that all Theist faiths are more prone to this idolatry. That is one reason why I find Buddhist and Taoist conceptions of the divine so appealing.

[Faisal]

Many theists say a lot of stuff.

Hosanna in excelsis.

[Faisal]

Now on the OP, which theists are saying this? I have not heard some of these said from any theists. For instance, I have never heard a theist say that atheism means no free will. I have heard the opposite, that atheists must think that "anything goes" but never that we have no free will.

Free will is really not incompatible with quantum determinacy.

[Faisal]

Most theists seem to say that you must propose uncaused effects in order to counter the Kalam Cosmological Argument.

If thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. <-2>Matthew ch.5 v.23-24<0>

[Hydra009]

Atheism is not incompatible with an appreciation of the Divine.

Depends on what you mean by "the Divine".  If it's a god of any sort, then it is incompatible by definition.

[Faisal]

I do picture a bunch of Christians nodding their heads in total agreement with him, even Christians devoid of comprehension skills.  I picture them nodding knowingly, but I have to wonder if any of them understand him.

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. <-2>Proverbs ch.3 v.5<0>

[GrinningYMIR]

I don't give trust unless it is earned