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Started by Corporate36, December 08, 2014, 05:51:16 PM

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Corporate36

Bet that title gets a lot of views :)

So short intro... I have always been an atheist because my parents made the (smart, and honorable) decision not to raise us with any form of religion and let us choose when we were old enough to.  I've been to church a few times, mostly when younger and sleeping over friends' houses who had to go on Sunday.  Have a few amusing stories about it that may come up sometime.  Anyway, I always believed religion was obviously a heap of crap, I always thought it was a bit strange that people who think they are intelligent believe in things like adam and eve, original sin and all of that.

Anyway, getting back to the topic title... I generally vote republican.  I am quite surprised that so many folks seem to be so religious about their politics - so I guess that's going to lead to some interesting debates here.  For anyone curious, the reason I vote republican is I've been a business person for the past 20+ years and that's the main issue that concerns me in politics.  I most certainly don't agree with much of the GOP platform anymore than I agree with most of the democrat platform.  I wish there was a viable 3rd option, or (even better) a 4th and 5th option.

So... any other republicans? :)

GrinningYMIR

I've voted Republican in the past, but in general I'm a centrist, I dislike the right and the left at times :P

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AllPurposeAtheist

Sounds like self serving which is pretty typical of rubes. Must be nice voting for the party that wrecked the economy and think they won't do it again.. :think:
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Mr.Obvious

Not American, so not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify as a socialist. Though the socialist party in my country is crap and I'll be the first to recognize that.
Anyway. Welcome to our little band of heathens.
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Corporate36

Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on December 08, 2014, 06:02:11 PM
Sounds like self serving which is pretty typical of rubes. Must be nice voting for the party that wrecked the economy and think they won't do it again.. :think:

Actually, anyone who takes their viewpoints from the party (instead of seeing which party meets their viewpoints on which issues) is the rube.  Unfortunately, in my experience, most people do that - and get angrily outspoken when someone doesn't agree with them - like you did here.

Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well.  No excuse not to be doing well.

Corporate36

Quote from: GrinningYMIR on December 08, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
I've voted Republican in the past, but in general I'm a centrist, I dislike the right and the left at times :P

Welcome to the forum!

I always vote the candidate, but it's mostly been republicans the last few times around - I dearly wish there was a centrist candidate I could get behind.  I actually worked with Romney when he was Governor of MA and he's a fantastic executive, too bad the nature of politics in this country forces people to play a character that is electable, rather than just be themselves.  That goes for all of them (including the democrats who pretend to be religious and republicans who pretend to be against abortion).

The unfortunate nature of our 2 party system.  The plus side it often keeps both sides impotent, which is good :)

Corporate36

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on December 08, 2014, 06:03:00 PM
Not American, so not a democrat nor a republican.
I identify as a socialist. Though the socialist party in my country is crap and I'll be the first to recognize that.
Anyway. Welcome to our little band of heathens.

The post title was perhaps intentionally a bit inflammatory.  I'm not registered as a republican, but rather as an independent, but I've switched in the past if I wanted to give a certain candidate a boost (i.e. Romney last time around).

Is it kosher to ask what country you are from?  I wasn't born in this country and have spent a lot of time traveling in Europe and Asia... my favorite things is discovering new viewpoints, cultures, and new beer :)

Moralnihilist

Also a successful business owner here(3 gyms). As to my voting history, I vote based off of who is least likely to fuck the entire country.
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Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well.  No excuse not to be doing well.
Then why has median personal income remained steady in comparison to the "great" economy during the last two decades?

Why does the upper 1% of the population own 90% of the wealth in this country?

Why did 94% of all income generated in the '80s '90s and '00s go to the top 20%s?

Do you think that such a situation is sustainable and healthy?

Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
The unfortunate nature of our 2 party system.  The plus side it often keeps both sides impotent, which is good :)
It's not the nature of the 2 party system. It's gerrymandering that did it. Mixed districts meant that a candidate had to be more centrist in order to win the seat, as they had to appeal to the other side as well as their own. Thus, more radical members of their own party were sidelined and marginalized, as extreme candidates tended to lose compared to more moderate opponents.

Gerrymandering upset that balance. While securing the general elections, elected politicians begun facing attack in the primaries from the more radical parts of their own parties. They could no longer associate with old friends from other parties, who while on the opposite side of the isle, were centrists like them and reasonable compromises could be struck. Instead, the centrists candidates had to become more radicalized, or be defeated by more radical primary challengers. The result is that the two sides can no longer cooperate when they need to cooperate, and you get today's gridlock.

The job of government is to govern. If government is impotent in that job, then it cannot respond appropriately when some problem in the country needs unified attention and action. It is not healthy when a government cannot act in the manner you describe.
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Jason Harvestdancer

I'm libertarian, which is why I generally have a very low opinion of Republicans.
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Solitary

The republicans with Reagonomics put us so far in debt it is ridiculous.  You say you have a business, so of course you are going to favor the republicans because they do everything they can to help big business, but what have they done for small business and the working man? More jobs with less pay, less taxes for the extremely rich. The economy is better---do you really believe it is because of the republicans? Explain why you think that? There are more factors to consider the economy on how well a country is doing. Are wages fair now? Are people to live the American dream that make under $100,000 a year? How long are going keep a war going that is killing the best has to offer with are youth while the thugs and criminals run their cities into the ground.

And when is something going be done about the cooperate criminals that get ridiculous raises and benefits while destroying the company with bad management and then get billions back in subsidies from the government because of laws put in effect by republicans? Why are our public schools deteriorating while management get high wages and free benefits and teachers get squat, and then when they retire they get big bonuses, and more money as advisors that to nothing? Why is so much money being given to charter schools where the teachers don't even qualify for the jobs, so they can teach creationism? Why  have the schools been taken  over by special interest groups that put their vending machines in that are making our kids fat and unhealthy? Because the republican law makers have allowed it. And why are companies allowed to have off shore accounts tax free, and allowed to move over seas that take jobs away from their workers so they can get cheap labor?

Because the republican law makers have made it possible! Why have the republicans played the race card with our president to divide the country and do everything possible to obstruct him from doing his job, even shutting down the government? And why are the republicans doing everything they can to stop people from getting good health care they can afford? Why do they support the military industrial complex that has led to an unstopping war so they can make more money for their greedy little hands at any cost to the working man? Poor management has cause very big companies to fail, while the republicans wanted to give them money with no interest. Why are the republicans kowtowing to religion every chance they get? Why are there so many idiots in the republican organization, if they are so good?  :axe: :fU:
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Mermaid

Quote from: Corporate36 on December 08, 2014, 06:19:34 PM

Economy has been great the past decade or two - I've been doing fantastically well.  No excuse not to be doing well.
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aitm

ah swell,,I love a good shit throwing political thread…….



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AllPurposeAtheist

I've got no argument with anyone who finds success in life. I do have a problem with those whose success comes off the backs of the rest of society and who claim that they've worked, oh..let's say 10 billion times harder than everyone else then shouldn't have to contribute to the rest of society once there.. You've proven nothing, but if you're happy fine. STFU and enjoy your wealth.
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aitm

I only worked off the backs of a couple dozen but they no habla no fuckin english so "I got mine".
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