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Offline Shiranu

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2018, 02:28:50 AM »
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You perhaps know the story about the professor who said that God does not exist, because we can not prove God with the use of our senses.
And a student who asked the professor if one can detect the professors' mind?
The conclusion made by the student was that the Professor was mindless!

I do, but I feel it completely misses the point of what the mind really is; it is viewing the mind as "the soul" (a consistent entity) rather than a living, breathing and fluid collection of simultaneous sensations.

Of course it is impossible to detect "the mind" in this parable, but only because it uses an inaccurate definition of what the mind is. If we use the concept of "the soul", the consistent entity, then it is indeed impossible to detect it. However if we view the concept of "the mind", the soul, as a collection of sensations then we can both scientifically confirm that "the mind" exists (brain scans, heart rate, breathing pattern, etc. to track and graph how sensations are being experienced) but we can also test it from a philosophical view (if you cause them distress, will they be sad? If you make them happy, will they laugh? Will the smell of their parent's cooking bring them happiness? Will the picture of an ex-lover cause a variety of reactions?) and determine that it does, in fact, exist.

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How much of our lives are preprogrammed to journey through the world?

The entirety of them. To be born is to be given the task of existing in the world until you don't.

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Can Evolution really have shaped our Brains, to create a thing called Language that is intelligent, guided, and superior to the Brain itself?

I would say yes that evolution can design brains because the universe itself, in all it's complexity, is simply designed but not by the divine but instead by mathematical and physical laws. All that we experience is designed by what can be experienced.

As for "why", because it simply did. If they universe decided, "why not", if the laws that govern it's operation didn't work, then we wouldn't be here to ask such a question.

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If Yes, then why did the Great apes not develop a language?

This goes back to my universe point... because they didn't.

Why didn't you tell that girl you loved her? Why didn't that car brake before they hit him? Why didn't you hug your family more often? Because you or it didn't. There may be more complicated reasons than that, analytical reasons like, "Well, this genome didn't trigger, so this one didn't, which caused..." but at the end of the day all that really matters is that it didn't.

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Because they do not have a Mind.

If you are going to make a statement on such a complex concept it has to have more complex justification than just stating it is true and leaving it at that.

How do you know that is the reason? How do you know your definition of mind is the most "true" concept? How do you know that it was not a random sequence of events that happened in one random apes brain and then was spread through his offspring and was much more likely to die out rather than be passed on through our ancestors?

Your claim requires a new variable to be added into an equation that we already know works. A, B, C, D., this happens, then that, then that. By taking the mind out of that equation and adding in a new concept (the soul), you then are trying to make an alphabet progression of A, B, C, Y, D. It no longer works within the system, and your system has to bear the burden of proving it's legitimacy rather than just stating that it is.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2018, 06:47:20 PM »
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If we are indeed animals, then animals have it within them to create art, culture, writing, singing, and civilizations in which stealing, murder, and rape are outlawed.  So your assertion is self-defeating.
Well, biologically speaking, we are animals... and as it happens, not only do we see reflections of most of our behaviors—good, ill and neutral—reflected in the so-called "lower" animals, but also instances of things we associate with consciousness and self-awareness (dolphins having names for each other, corvids solving problems that require building tools, several species passing the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login).

Which rather clearly implies that our sentience evolved naturally rather than was designed in specially.
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Online aitm

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #62 on: August 17, 2018, 08:10:01 PM »
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You perhaps know the story about the professor

xians love to quote "stories" as if they are actually true. Facebook is full of similar "stories"...yeah..sure...all true.
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Offline trdsf

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2018, 02:40:45 AM »
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xians love to quote "stories" as if they are actually true. Facebook is full of similar "stories"...yeah..sure...all true.
Also, any professor dumb enough to be incapable of providing an answer to that could only be employed by a "college" like Bob Jones or (air quotes) Liberty (end air quotes).
Sir Terry Pratchett, on being told about the theory that the universe is a computer simulation: "If we all get out and in again, would it start to work properly this time?"

Online Mr.Obvious

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2018, 07:15:13 AM »
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Also, any professor dumb enough to be incapable of providing an answer to that could only be employed by a "college" like Bob Jones or (air quotes) Liberty (end air quotes).

Yes. It always has that 'god's not dead' vibe.
"If we have to go down, we go down together!"
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Offline Baruch

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #65 on: August 18, 2018, 07:42:24 AM »
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Yes. It always has that 'god's not dead' vibe.

G-d isn't dead, but humanity seems to always be on the edge of extinction.
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Offline SGOS

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #66 on: August 18, 2018, 07:48:18 AM »
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Yes. It always has that 'god's not dead' vibe.
I wonder if it bothers God that the only people who worship him are delusional. 

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Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #67 on: August 18, 2018, 08:27:40 AM »
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G-d isn't dead, but humanity seems to always be on the edge of extinction.

I agree, life's a prerequirement before death can be moved onto.
And even if there were a god, seeing as he would never die, i would similarly be equally hesitant on classifying him as alive.
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Offline Baruch

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #68 on: August 18, 2018, 10:01:41 AM »
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I wonder if it bothers God that the only people who worship him are delusional.

If you saw my clips on Last Temptation of Christ ... God's son is delusional ;-)
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Offline Baruch

Re: Having to die one day...
« Reply #69 on: August 18, 2018, 10:02:44 AM »
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I agree, life's a prerequirement before death can be moved onto.
And even if there were a god, seeing as he would never die, i would similarly be equally hesitant on classifying him as alive.

Hindu/Buddhist gods aren't immortal, they are like very long lived super-aliens.  It is only Western/ME theology that has made monotheism the monstrosity it is.
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