Thoughts on Bronies

[Munch]

Yeeeeeah... hard to unsee cupcakes and smile

[Hydra009]

There's a (sort of) happy ending:

I’ve stoked the fire, seen more pain than you can know
The tears of the broken have washed away my soul
Pushed by desire to change the way my stream will flow
Now I’ve awoken, and I’m taking back control

[widdershins]

You called it creepy and then listed off all of the merch, wouldn't be creepy if it were all about football and the like would it? No because that's accepted by the mainstream people. Sports fantatic is normal and a brony is a pathetic man child.

You'll excuse me and I apologize if I'm coming off as angry and if you didn't mean to offend or attack. But I've come across this so much it's like I'm gay in the middle of the Bible Belt. And I'm bisexual to boot. So I'm everyone's favorite.

Bottom line, it's a good show and I enjoy it and everything about it. But I don't seek to convert people and if you don't like it it's cool. It's alright to not like things just don't be a dick about it

Fair point.  My apologies.

[widdershins]

You called it creepy and then listed off all of the merch, wouldn't be creepy if it were all about football and the like would it? No because that's accepted by the mainstream people. Sports fantatic is normal and a brony is a pathetic man child.

You'll excuse me and I apologize if I'm coming off as angry and if you didn't mean to offend or attack. But I've come across this so much it's like I'm gay in the middle of the Bible Belt. And I'm bisexual to boot. So I'm everyone's favorite.

Bottom line, it's a good show and I enjoy it and everything about it. But I don't seek to convert people and if you don't like it it's cool. It's alright to not like things just don't be a dick about it

You know, something about your argument didn't seem quite right, so I went back and read what I wrote again.  You took general statements I made and applied them to specific examples which best exemplified your position, misrepresenting what I said in the process.  I did not "call it creepy and then list off all the merch".  I listed off all the merch, and then I listed the sexualized representations of humanized barnyard animals and then called it creepy, and I stand by that.  A sexualized portrayal of an apparently underage, inter-species nature is, in fact, creepy.

You went on to list your sexual orientation as if to suggest that I was "gay bashing".  In fact, it did put me on the offensive as if I accidentally had.  But you will noticed that every time I mentioned gender I also mentioned age.  Having kids of my own, I have found some kids shows that I have loved.  Drake and Josh and iCarley come to mind.  Those two shows share a couple of actors, of note in this case is Miranda Cosgrove, who I remember saying a few years back that she found it "creepy" when a 40 year old man would approach her to sign a picture of herself from when she was, I think the number she gave was 12.  It is a natural tendency, at least in America, for people to find it creepy when adults take too much interest in children or childish things.  And don't forget, I'm a bit older.  I remember the ponies as being toys for little girls.  Truthfully I haven't even watched the current show and have no interest in doing so because, to me, it's for little girls.  Or boys, if they're into that sort of thing.  I don't judge.  But the "little" thing, that's just a given for me.  I have children who have outgrown My Little Ponies.  It is my life experience that Ponies is something people "outgrow".  Of course, so is Drake and Josh, but I really like Crazy Steve/Spencer.  I wish he would get cast in a movie.  Maybe take the next Adam Sandler movie, remove Adam Sandler and every person he has ever acted with except Steve Buscemi, throw in Jerry Trainor and that's something I would watch.

Finally, football merchandise has nothing whatsoever to do with merchandise for a show.  It has more in common with Star Wars merchandise.  For the record, Star Wars fans (actual fanatics) are also creepy and incomprehensible to me.

That is my opinion and it is valid.  If you don't agree with it, that opinion is also valid.  But don't paint me as being some homophobic hater who said something terrible about you, because that is absolutely not what happened.  Given that your avatar is a sexualized, scantily clad, apparently teenage horse with nice tits, I can see where you might have been offended by what I said, but is that really a problem with my opinion?  I also find sex with actual horses creepy.  If you're into it, does that really mean I'm a bad person for being creeped out by it?  It is the natural, human reaction, the reaction most would say is "normal", to sexualizing farm (or any) animals.  I'm also creeped out by people being into chicks with cat ears and tails.  Why?  I have no desire to fuck cats, so seeing a cat with a half-naked woman's body with big titties is disturbing, and it is okay that I find that disturbing.  It is normal and it is valid.  I have no problem with you being into Ponies.  I can't be a bronie-racist.  After all, I did say I have bronie friends ;)  But yes, it is "creepy" to me.  If that bothers you, the problem is yours, not mine.

[PickelledEggs]

Yeah. I have to second that.

Brony culture is pretty creepy...

and before you all pounce on me, hear me out:
It's a show intended for children. That being said, it also draws in a lot of adults. And that's not necessarily the weird part. The weird part is things that are intended for children, but also, for whatever reason, draws in a lot of adults.... wreaks of pedophilia. Not saying you guys are pedos, but coming from someone that is on the outside of this culture looking in, that is the underlying reason why they think you're weird and in turn think they hate you. I don't hate you, we all have our weird shit we're in to, but this isn't like anime where there are so many different genres of the thing you're in to. This is one show.

That being said, I still stand by my statement at the beginning of this thread: "Fuck haters. There are always going be people that hate on the shit that you like and identify with, so just be you regardless.

[PickelledEggs]

Like widdershins said, though... if it bothers you, the problem is yours, not them. If you think you can tell people they can't feel a certain way about something, you better get off your high horse, buddy.

[Munch]

Yeah. I have to second that.

Brony culture is pretty creepy...

and before you all pounce on me, hear me out:
It's a show intended for children. That being said, it also draws in a lot of adults. And that's not necessarily the weird part. The weird part is things that are intended for children, but also, for whatever reason, draws in a lot of adults.... wreaks of pedophilia. Not saying you guys are pedos, but coming from someone that is on the outside of this culture looking in, that is the underlying reason why they think you're weird and in turn think they hate you. I don't hate you, we all have our weird shit we're in to, but this isn't like anime where there are so many different genres of the thing you're in to. This is one show.

That being said, I still stand by my statement at the beginning of this thread: "Fuck haters. There are always going be people that hate on the shit that you like and identify with, so just be you regardless.

like I've said myself, I'm not a bronie, anymore then I am a furry, but I do watch the show, and see how the writers of the show pay attention to both the younger and older fans, its not just aimed at one target audience now, kind of like how shows like animaniacs were targeted at both kids and adults.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xmAC9Qu908

Its not pedophilic to watch well written kids shows, like the current mlp, steven universe or legend of korra, I'm gay, and 98% of the cast in MLP is female, and I still enjoy the show, so it clearly has no sexual motivation for me to watch it (unlike say justice league waiting to see when 90s aquaman would show up with his mullet).

[PickelledEggs]

I'm not arguing with you Munch. And I agree. Good writing = large fan base. I still love Animaniacs, although there is a ton of adult humor in Animaniacs...  I don't know how much adult humor is in MLP, but that's besides the point.

My point is freedom of speech goes both ways. Someone can say "I like this thing" and some has just as much right to say "I think that thing you like is {Insert judgment here}"

Just because I think someone's Fandom is creepy doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad Fandom, but at the same time, it doesn't make it wrong for the people to think that it is creepy.

People say that I'm weird for liking anime. I smile and move on with my life. That's what adults do. They realize insults are nothing but talk.... and move on.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one and they all stink. The running theme of this last year was being offended. "I'm offended wah wah wah" "I'm triggered by what you're offended by" "I'm offended by your triggers" Everyone has become so petty... Worked up about stupid things like people insulting their brony ism. Why the hell do you care what other people think?  Just grow up and watch your cartoon without being bothered by other people's opinions. 

Sent from my Nexus 6 using your mom.

[Munch]

oh don't worry pickle I'm not someone who gets offended like that, I've seen some youtubers make videos on their opinion of things like bronies or furries, and lot of the time I just find it funny, even agreeing with some points, like the part of where there is a huge listing of mlp on rule34, which just.. well, like rule34 applies to.

But then rule34 applies to all, like say in anime, the hentei fandom of underage looking girls in skimpy costumes, the aspect of the rule34 is in any fandom.

MLPs a good show, and while there are elements in the fandom of those who take it to far and 'clop', from what i've seen of the fandom on certain youtube videos, they are just regular people who happen to enjoy it like any other fandom.

its like how I'm not a football fan, and while i know football fans can be pretty rabid in the heat of certain games, I just acknowledge there are those who do, and the rest ate just there to enjoy a game they love, so i'll not think of them all like the few thugs who ruin it for everyone else.

[PickelledEggs]

I don't even state my opinion about MLP in general, Like I'm saying, what my and other people's opinion about what other people like, doesn't matter. That is the reason for me bringing up my opinion in the first place, to give a ground to explain that it doesn't matter what people's opinions are of your interests. It boggles my mind that people get so bent out of shape about trivial shit like that. 

This is an extreme example because it involves masturbation, but... Am I going to get offended by people telling me I'm weird for, on rare occasion, browsing through r/dota2smut? No. I know most people think it's fucking weird. But I don't care... like watching MLP, jerking off to porn-ified DoTA characters doesn't hurt anyone. If people don't like that, they can go fuck themselves. The people that are whining about people telling them their weirdos for watching MLP need to learn that too; that some people can just fuck off... their opinion shouldn't matter. Yeah. I don't like MLP. I tried watching an episode and thought it was stupid. I think it's weird that grown adults like it. But guess what? What I think or have an opinion on... should not dictate how you live your life.

I'll say it again, because it think it's hilarious the way I worded it, but it's also true:

Just grow up and watch your cartoon without being bothered by other people's opinions.

(munch, I wasn't directing this post at you, btw... it was directed in more of a general way of speaking)

[PickelledEggs]

Here.

http://inoveryourhead.net/the-complete-guide-to-not-giving-a-fuck/
[spoiler]

Ok, I have a confession to make.
I have spent almost my whole lifeâ€" 31 yearsâ€"  caring far too much about offending people, worrying if I’m cool enough for them, or asking myself if they are judging me.
I can’t take it anymore. It’s stupid, and it’s not good for my well being. It has made me a punching bagâ€"  a flighty, nervous wuss. But worse than that, it has made me someone who doesn’t take a stand for anything. It has made me someone who stood in the middle, far too often, and not where I cared to stand, for fear of alienating others. No more. Not today.
Today, ladies and gentlemen, is different.
We’re going to talk about the cure. We’re going to talk about what’s necessary. We’re going to talk about the truth.
Do you wonder if someone is talking shit about you? Whether your friends will approve? Have you become conflict-avoidant? Spineless?
Well, it’s time you started not giving a fuck.
FACT NUMBER 1. People are judging you right now.
Yes, it’s really happening right at this moment. Some people don’t like you, and guess what? There’s nothing you can do about it. No amount of coercion, toadying, or pandering to their interests will help. In fact, the opposite is often true; the more you stand for something, the more they respect you, whether it’s grudgingly or not.
What people truly respect is when you draw the line and say “you will go no further.” They may not like this behaviour, but so what? These are people don’t like you anyway, why should you attempt to please people who don’t care for you in the first place?
Right. Then, there’s Internet trolls. That’s a whole other thing.
Regular people are fineâ€" you don’t actually hear it when they’re talking behind your back. But on the web, you do see it, which changes the dynamic drastically. They have an impact because they know you have your vanity searches, etc. But the real problem with Internet haters is that they confirm your paranoid delusion that everyone out there secretly hates you.
Thankfully, that’s not actually true. So the first noble truth is that most people don’t even care that you’re alive. Embrace this, my friends, for it is true freedom. The world is vast and you are small, and therefore you may do as you wish and cast your thoughts of those who dislike it to the side.
FACT NUMBER 2. You don’t need everyone to like you.
This stuff is crazy, I know, but it’s cool, you’ll get used to it. Here’s the next thing: not only do most people not know that you exist, and some are judging you, but it totally does not matter even if they are.
How liberating this is may not even hit you yet, but it will. Check this out: when people don’t like you, nothing actually happens. The world does not end. You don’t feel them breathing down your neck. In fact, the more you ignore them and just go about your business, the better off you are.
You know when they say “the best revenge is a life well lived”? Well, this is true, but it isn’t the whole truth. A life well lived is great, yes, but it cannot happen while you are sweating about who your detractors are and what they think. What you have to do, what you have no choice but to do, is accept it and move on.
So not giving a fuck is actually a necessary precedent to create a good life for yourself. It can’t happen without it. That’s why you have to begin today.
FACT NUMBER 3. It’s your people that matter.
Ok, so you’ve adjusted to the fact that most people in the world are barely aware of your existence, and you’re also conscious of the fact that those who don’t like you are in the obscenely small minority and don’t actually matter. Awesome. Next you need to realize that the people who do care about you, and no one else, are those you need to focus on.
Relationships are weird. Once we’re in one (with family, a spouse, whatever), we promptly begin to take the other person for granted and move on to impressing strangers insteadâ€" say, our boss. Then, once we’ve impressed our boss, we start taking him for granted too, and so on, in an endless cycle of apathy. It’s like we always prefer to impress and charm the new than to work on what we already have.
But these peopleâ€" your championsâ€" they understand your quest or your cause. They make you feel good when you’re around them, make you laugh or make you feel like you can just be yourself. They make you feel relaxed or at ease. You’ve shared things with them. They’re important. Focus on them instead.
FACT NUMBER 4. Those who don’t give a fuck change the world. The rest do not.
So I’m reading this horrible book right now by Stephen King called the Long Walk. It’s a contest where people walk without sleeping or resting, and if they do stop, they are killed. (That’s actually every Stephen King bookâ€" “there’s a clown, but it kills!” “There’s a car, but it kills!” etc.)
I suspect this book is a metaphor for war, but it also captures perseverance very well. What it takes to move past anything is to simply realize that your obstacle is unimportant, and that it can be dismissed. This is true whether you’re running a marathon or trying to get to Mars.
If you dismiss the things that do not matter; if you remove those things from your mind and focus on what must be done; if you understand that your time is limited and decide to work now; only then will you be able to get to the finish line. Otherwise, you will be dissuaded into living a life you aren’t interested in.
Side note: You need to handle failure and obscurity better. You may be in a tough place right now where you feel lonely or like a loser. No worries, we’ve all been there. But it’s time for you to realize how common these things are, and that they’re experienced by even the most successful and happiest people in the world. Those people get past them, and you will too.
The eye is watching
You want to know something? This actually has nothing to do with anyone else. It has everything to do with you.
I had a discussion with Jonathan Fields the other week that was about the use of swearing (and “true voice”) on blogs. I watched him on a Skype video as we did this, and I could actually pinpoint the moment where he was about to say “fuck” but almost stopped himself. It was amazing. So I called him out on it. “You felt it just now, didn’t you?”
Everyone has an internetal eye. It always watching. It has been slowly constructed by society at large and by your friends and family, and it checks you for unacceptable behaviour. If you have had it around for long enough, you actually start to believe that the eye is you, and that you’re “being reasonable” or some other rationalization.
But the eye isn’t you at all. It is a prison, and you have justified its existence by obeying it. It’s strong because you let it be strong.
But the secret, the part that’s amazing, is that it can’t do anything to stop you, even if it wanted to. It’s an eye. It can only watch. The rest of you is free to act as you wish.
How to get back your self-respect in five easy steps
STEP 1. Do things that you consider embarrassing.
My girlfriend and I have been breaking in Vibram Fivefingers in preparation for the massive walk we are doing. Have you ever seen these shoes? They’re amazing for you knees and give you no blisters, but they are the ugliest thing imaginable. Yesterday, I wore them with a sweet bowtie I put on for Easter. I looked like a crazy person.
As I said at the beginning of this post, I am deeply aware and can become quite upset by people’s judgmentâ€" I think a lot of people are, but don’t admit it. But as I walked by people in my techno-clown outfit, not a single person looked at me. Nobody cared, and it slowly dawned on me that even if people did look at me weird, they just walked by. Later, they would forget about me entirely.
You must try this. Find your internal filters and break them, one at a time. Notice how society, like an ocean, smoothes over the waves you make, until what you do gets eliminated, or becomes the status quo. Work with this.
STEP 2. Accept, or deal with, awkwardness.
It’s widely known that interviewers get their best material by being quiet and allowing silence to force words out of a politician or celebrity.
You may be uncomfortable with silence. I know I still am. But I have been working on it and have to say that it is a much more serene state to be in than trying to cover it up with random babbling just to fill up the air. This is one type of awkwardness, a kind that you should feel comfortable about and learn to live with.
Another kind of social awkwardness is this in-between space where you might have done something wrong or been wronged, but don’t say anything. I’ve been given a few harsh lessons in my time and come away realizing that the freedom that comes from talking about an uncomfortable truth is better than the comfort of avoiding that talk altogether.
Someone told me recently that the Clintons’ method for earning respect in politics is this: if someone pushes you, push back twice as hard. This is much better than awkwardness. It’s clear, it’s not passive aggressive, and you know where you stand. Start doing this immediately.

STEP 3. Refuse boundaries.
The video above was taken in 1970, right when the Front de Libération du Québec had killed Premier Pierre Laporte and put his body in the trunk of a car. Trudeau’s “Just watch me” is one of the most famous phrases in Canadian political history. The journalists are trying to trap him into choosing on-camera between a safety/police-state and civil liberties/freedom but Trudeau refuses their boxes.
The Liberal Party of Canada no longer has any balls, but for us, there’s still hope. Walk where you want to walk. Don’t accept false choices. Don’t let people dictate how you should live your life. Definitely don’t listen to the eye.
STEP 4. Tell the truth.
You don’t need to be an asshole, but the world does not need another conflict-avoidant, evasive person. No one wants another individual who steps in line with everyone else. The status quo is doing fine without you, so it’s up to you to call bullshit if you see it.
Don’t mind-read either. Telling the truth means seeing the truth, not adding your own layer of sugar coating or suspected emotion on top of it.
STEP 5. Begin your new life.
This step can’t happen without the others, but once you’ve gotten here, you can safely begin to explore a whole new worldâ€" one where anything you do is fine as long as it isn’t seriously hurting anyone else. Wanna explore old abandoned buildings? No problem, as long as you’re ready to live with the consequences. Feel like hanging from hooks or get whipped by a dominatrix? Go ahead, but be safe about it.
Once you begin on this path, you start to discover that practically everyone is capable of understanding the weird things that you do. In fact, it makes you interesting and worth paying attention to, further feeding into your plans of world domination, should you have any.
But none of this fun can happen without you recognizing, and walking past, the eye. Doing this is a powerful act of control which builds momentum and makes you strong.
Take back your self respect. Do it todayâ€" try it right now. Wear something ugly. Do something stupid. Tell someone the truth.
It doesn’t fucking matter.

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[Hydra009]

My point is freedom of speech goes both ways. Someone can say "I like this thing" and some has just as much right to say "I think that thing you like is {Insert judgment here}"

Just because I think someone's Fandom is creepy doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad Fandom, but at the same time, it doesn't make it wrong for the people to think that it is creepy.

People say that I'm weird for liking anime. I smile and move on with my life. That's what adults do. They realize insults are nothing but talk.... and move on.

I agree.  I'm not hurt or offended by such things.  But the MLP fandom as whole (and me in particular) is pretty defensive about this stuff, and for good reason.  I'd be like dealing with people saying that anime is child porn and tentacle rape, that people who watch anime are Hikikomori perverts, that anime is meant only for children and has little value.  Of course, none of that is true, so there's a strong urge to reply with a rebuttal.  Hell, we do that all the time over here when someone has an equally ill-formed opinion on atheism or science.

And yes, blowing up on such people is a mistake.  The accuser won't reconsider his/her position in the slightest, in fact their position may even get more entrenched.  They may perhaps even wonder why they're getting so much "hate" from the people they just accused of some pretty serious social transgressions.

You can let the accusation go unchallenged and perhaps taken as unvarnished truth.  Or you can speak up and start a mini flame war.  Lose-lose.  It's a very frustrating position to be in, especially because MLP is not terribly far from mainstream acceptance.  It could be no big deal, with fans doing their thing, and non-fans generally not caring about one way or the other.  We might even look back and laugh about how silly the bruhaha about it was.  Instead, it's just this endless clash between fandom and hatedom with the same ol' arguments from 2010.  It's very tiresome.  I don't want to deal with it, but I'm afraid that if I don't, it'll go uncontested and become the dominant view.

[Hydra009]

Brony culture is pretty creepy...

and before you all pounce on me, hear me out:
It's a show intended for children. That being said, it also draws in a lot of adults. And that's not necessarily the weird part. The weird part is things that are intended for children, but also, for whatever reason, draws in a lot of adults.... wreaks of pedophilia. Not saying you guys are pedos, but coming from someone that is on the outside of this culture looking in, that is the underlying reason why they think you're weird and in turn think they hate you.

I could sort of understand this argument if there were tons of shows meant for children that do have massive adult fanbases.  Disney, Marvel, cartoons in general.  Doctor Who started as a kids show.  Even Lauren Faust's previous work, Powerpuff Girls, was famous for its adult appeal.  Is it really that strange that she'd do it twice?  A show having a periphery adult demographic is VERY common.  So common that I have a hard time buying that it looks sinister from the outside.

The pedo argument is a lot like the bestiality argument - it just doesn't follow that because people like a show and some people create rule 34 versions of it that the fans (who may or may not even look at the rule 34) would be out for your kids.

[Munch]

Yep, and let's be honest, things like marvel cartoons has a child audience as well as an adult one, but just because I look up eroticized drawings of wolverine or hulk [spoiler][/spoiler] doesn't mean I'm after children, like most fox news presenters would claim.

[PickelledEggs]

I agree.  I'm not hurt or offended by such things.  But the MLP fandom as whole (and me in particular) is pretty defensive about this stuff, and for good reason.  I'd be like dealing with people saying that anime is child porn and tentacle rape, that people who watch anime are Hikikomori perverts, that anime is meant only for children and has little value.  Of course, none of that is true, so there's a strong urge to reply with a rebuttal.  Hell, we do that all the time over here when someone has an equally ill-formed opinion on atheism or science.

And yes, blowing up on such people is a mistake.  The accuser won't reconsider his/her position in the slightest, in fact their position may even get more entrenched.  They may perhaps even wonder why they're getting so much "hate" from the people they just accused of some pretty serious social transgressions.

You can let the accusation go unchallenged and perhaps taken as unvarnished truth.  Or you can speak up and start a mini flame war.  Lose-lose.  It's a very frustrating position to be in, especially because MLP is not terribly far from mainstream acceptance.  It could be no big deal, with fans doing their thing, and non-fans generally not caring about one way or the other.  We might even look back and laugh about how silly the bruhaha about it was.  Instead, it's just this endless clash between fandom and hatedom with the same ol' arguments from 2010.  It's very tiresome.  I don't want to deal with it, but I'm afraid that if I don't, it'll go uncontested and become the dominant view.

Hydra, you're missing my point.
Again, bringing up that I think it's creepy was not to start a fan-war. It was to point out the reasons some people might find it creepy and to also point out that whining about it and demonizing the people that have an opinion other than liking My Little Pony as a culture/show/whatever isn't going to make things better for you. It was to point out, if someone is having a problem with people making fun of your fandom, get past it, and move on. If you let people bug you about it and complain, you will draw in more hate. I don't care what people are a fan of. If you want to like MLP, cool. If you like Power Puff Girls. Cool. But I understand that other opinions shouldn't make a difference in a person's life if they're just stating it.

Me stating why I think it's creepy wasn't to defend the fact that I dislike the show. I don't even care enough about that show to defend why I dislike it... Probably why I haven't taken part in this thread for so long. I don't tell people IRL that I don't like My Little Pony... But, haters? No matter what someone likes or does there will always be them. And that's a fact. You're setting yourself up for delusion if you think otherwise.


This is why I brought it up:
People always think their interest/personal identifiers/etc are immune to criticism. Reality check: nothing is sacred. I'm not going to defend my reason on why I don't like MLP, because it doesn't matter. Maybe it's irrational why I don't like it, maybe it's not... It makes no difference what I think, and that's my point by bringing it up. Arguing with me that it's ok to feel butthurt about people criticizing what other people like isn't going to fix bronies' problems.

What is going to work better for me if, lets say I like MLP and people make fun of me for it?
A-Try to argue that they're wrong about their opinion/ argue that it was intended for adults too/ argue that it's irrational to dislike my fandom? etc?
or
B-Realize that EVEN IF I convince that person that MLP is ok to like and they all of a sudden like MLP, there will always be an infinite supply of people that don't like that/other things I like and I should just work on myself to not get bothered by it... Because a very large amount of the people that are still hating on the thing I like... will never change their view. 
If you think A is your answer, you're lost. Somehow you need to swim back to reality because spoiler alert: there will always be people that dislike something you like. There will always be haters. Grow and change yourself for the better, don't look to change others. It's a losing battle.

Again, to summarize:
-just because you like something, does not make it immune to criticism
-just because someone has an opinion, does not necessarily make them the bad guy. 

I didn't talk about this yet, but even if they are being persistent with bashing you for something, thus being the bad guy, you still need to learn how to grow yourself to learn to deal with those situations. Figure out how to remove those toxic people from your life. Adapt, you may like My Little Pony, but you're not one-trick ponies. You have more things up your sleeve than crying "I'm a victim! I'm a vicitm!"


If a subject is on the table, people, by nature want to be included in the conversation. It is important to understand that not all the views are going to mirror your own. It's in your best interest to grow as a person and learn from other people, rather than demonize them all the time in a mad-dash to keep your guard up and get defensive... and aggressive. The only thing being offended does.... is hurt yourself.

That is what I was trying to get across, in not such great words.

I really didn't want to start an argument, but now that it IS an argument, I want to apologize for not communicating clearly so to put an end to the not-argument that I triggered from being a raging fuckhead with words. Because I feel like we're agreeing, just with different words and it isn't coming off like we are agreeing, if that makes sense.