Author Topic: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense  (Read 1791 times)

Offline Solitary

A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« on: October 12, 2014, 11:34:18 AM »
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Offline AllPurposeAtheist

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2014, 11:45:38 AM »
I should spend 19 minutes and 4 seconds to watch this, but frankly there just aren't enough 19 minutes and 4 seconds in a day plus football on Sundays.. Perhaps tomorrow..
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Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2014, 11:08:43 PM »
This guy bases his worldview on a belief in the Christian God. He begs for evidence, but evidence presupposes proof, truth, reason, and logic -- all things that he cannot account for in an atheistic worldview. All of the those things -- proof, truth, reason, and logic -- presuppose God. You cannot have those things without God. God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. I would love to ask this guy what he believes truth is... what reality is... how he knows his is in the true reality... how he knows his senses and reasoning are valid, etc.
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Offline stromboli

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2014, 12:10:57 AM »
Truth, logic and wisdom all exist outside the the purview of god. The Greeks certainly didn't need a god to invent logic and rhetoric. Confucianism and other oriental philosophies also have no connection to western beliefs and all are based on similar concepts. To believe that god alone is the source of all law or philosophy is simply ideological centrism and only shows how narrow your worldview is.

Evidence is evidence. A smoking gun and the bullet pulled from a body shown to be from that gun is evidence. Evidence can point to a result. That is proof. Reason and logic are components of scientific inquiry far more than that of religion. there is no more logic to assume a first cause creator than there is any number of scientific theories that at least have some element of proof. Reason and logic exist outside of religion and always have.

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2014, 12:18:03 AM »
All of the those things -- proof, truth, reason, and logic -- presuppose God. You cannot have those things without God. God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility.
"Observe that noses were made to wear spectacles; and so we have spectacles. Legs were visibly instituted to be breeched, and we have breeches" Voltaire�s Candide

Offline stromboli

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2014, 02:26:10 AM »
Good luck with that, Poison. based on timing I'm wondering if our boy Mediumaevum done come back in another body......

Offline kilodelta

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2014, 02:06:11 AM »
God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. 

No. We actually got intelligence from Coeus well before Yahweh hit the scene.
Faith: pretending to know things you don't know

Offline GrinningYMIR

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2014, 07:58:47 AM »
Why would God be necessary for reason? The Romans and the Greeks did fine without God, In fact the romans achieved engineering triumphs that we still have difficulty matching, and their philosophers made concepts that we all take for granfed before God, Ptolemy ring a bell?

How about Socrates?

Even the maya and the inca achieved great leaps and bounds with science and culture, a culture that was annihilated as soon as Christian Spain arrived to spread the word.

The only thing God ia required for is a holy war,and I could probably start one of those I'm about five monites if I burn a Quran and stab a cross into a mosque
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Offline aitm

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2014, 09:03:47 AM »
God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. .

ah yes, the god that condones killing babies and raping little girls..no thanks. You can keep your piece of shit.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2014, 12:55:20 PM »
All of the those things -- proof, truth, reason, and logic -- presuppose God. You cannot have those things without God. God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility.

Allow me to refute your claims in the same way you have made them:

You're wrong!


Carl Sagan
"It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2014, 11:11:09 PM »
Just to get back to the original post, Sam Harris is da' man!  I've been watching a lot of videos on YouTube featuring the Four Horseman.  Love those videos and I'm learning a lot. 
Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people.

-Carl Sagan

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2014, 09:22:54 AM »
This guy bases his worldview on a belief in the Christian God. He begs for evidence, but evidence presupposes proof, truth, reason, and logic -- all things that he cannot account for in an atheistic worldview. All of the those things -- proof, truth, reason, and logic -- presuppose God. You cannot have those things without God. God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. I would love to ask this guy what he believes truth is... what reality is... how he knows his is in the true reality... how he knows his senses and reasoning are valid, etc.
Poster child for judgmental ignorance.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent,
Is he able but not willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able or willing?
Then why call him god?

Offline Green Bottle

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2014, 03:53:47 PM »
Thx for the vid Solitary, more gd stuff to get into, cheers.
God doesnt exist, but if he did id tell him to ''Fuck Off''

Online wolf39us

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2014, 03:57:54 PM »
Did sye just join our forum?


Offline Sal1981

Re: A Disturbing Video That Makes Sense
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2014, 04:37:21 AM »
This guy bases his worldview on a belief in the Christian God. He begs for evidence, but evidence presupposes proof, truth, reason, and logic -- all things that he cannot account for in an atheistic worldview. All of the those things -- proof, truth, reason, and logic -- presuppose God. You cannot have those things without God. God is the necessary precondition for intelligibility. I would love to ask this guy what he believes truth is... what reality is... how he knows his is in the true reality... how he knows his senses and reasoning are valid, etc.
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